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At 21:03 21/04/99 +0200, J. Teveßen wrote:
>Gian-Carlo Pascutto (GianCarlo DOT Pascutto AT advalvas DOT be) schrieb:
>
>> 1) I mentioned (from memory): "if you are using free software
>> and want support for it the least you can do is subscribe to
>> the mailinglist" 
>
>I don't think that sending a bug report is a "I want
>you to support me" thing.

No, 

but if you ask for help it is, IMHO.

quote original message:
"I am not on this list, so please cc me any response."

I think the original author really wanted to get helped,
and I don't blame him for that, but I do blame him for
wanting the help privately mailed rather than openly
discussed. 

>> Quote from original message/flame (not by me):
>> Translated:
>> If you've got something to say or need help then subscribe to the 
>> mailinglist. Otherwise shut up!
>
>"If you want to say something[...]" is the right translation,
>if my English is right.

Neither English nor German is my primary language so you're most 
likely right.

>
>> He may have put it a bit too blunt, but he WAS right.
>
>Again, I don't think that should apply to bugreports. 
>People reporting bugs usually don't want to discuss. In many cases
>they not even want a reply from you stating whether this
>actually *is* a (possibly known) bug or not. They want to
>help you developing the project. "Shut up!" really isn't
>the right thing to respond.

You're absolutely right. 

But I don't consider a bugrep "wanting to say something" or needing 
"help". So the above didn't apply.

A real bugrep doesn't need a reply. The programmer can look over it
and say "been there, done that". And go on and actually fix stuff.

Of all the "internal compiler error in haifa-sched", how much
_real_ bugreps where there ? Not *that* much I think.


>> 2) "The Post here read here" referred specifically to the idea of 
>> CC answers.
>
>I fully understand that. And in this context, it's probably
>not a good idea to have the mailing list set as bugreport
>contact address.

Right.

>
>> 3) (Not sure about this one)
>> Wasn't it mentioned on the homepage that the patch was severly broken?
>
>It first takes some bugreports before such a statement can be
>put up, right?

Yeah, but I doubt it takes *thirty* of them.


Greetings,
Gian-Carlo

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