Mail Archives: opendos/2003/12/01/03:06:46
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Joe.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DONALD PEDDER [SMTP:jims_son AT jedi DOT apana DOT org DOT au]
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 2:11 PM
> To: opendos AT delorie DOT com
> Subject: Re: several technical problems
>
> Well, my message didn't make it through before because...
>
> > Please edit out the PC-DOS graphics characters. They make it look too
> > much like asian spam.
>
> ...so here we go again. :-)
>
>
> > If you still have Windows installed, you might be able to get rid of it
> > by right-clicking on the Recycle Bin and clicking Properties, selecting
> > "Configure drives independently" then tick the "Do not move files to the
> > Recycle Bin" box on the tab corresponding to the partition in question.
>
> I did that (even though I never delete anything on that partition when
> I'm in Windows), and then when I also did...
>
[Joe da Silva]
Well, if you configure a different drive/partition to hold the
"Recycle Bin", it is safe to delete stuff from Windoze. It
is _not_ safe to delete stuff from DR-DOS if there is any
LFN stuff about (LFN support was never fully debugged
unfortunately).
> > The easiest way to correct this problem is to run MS ScanDisk;
>
> It gave me the option of deleting the recycled directory. :-) I did
> that, and my problem was resolved.
>
>
> > Could you tell us more about 'this computer' (CPU, mainboard, BIOS,
> > memory, add-on cards, etc.)?
>
> Uh, I can try. :-) The CPU is a Celeron 466MHz, my system-board is
> "PC100 slot 1/socket 370 M741lmrt", AMIBIOS, memory is 64Mb,
> sound-cards,etc. are built-in to the system-board.
>
>
> > What is the GREEN command in your AUTOEXEC?
>
> It's just a little pascal program that sets my text-colour to green.
> Unfortunately, as soon as I use an app (like the editor) it reverts to
> white again. I've still not yet found out how to permanently set it to
> green.
>
>
> > Please try (1) with HIMEM.SYS instead of EMM386; (2) with EMM386, but
> > without NWCDEX.
>
> Using HIMEM.SYS worked, but there's still one bug. I can swap sessions
> okay with multiple editors open, but if I am logged on and swap from that
> session it hangs up the modem. :-( If I can sort out my memory shortage
> though then it's not a problem.
>
>
> > Could you redirect the output of MEM /A to a file (MEM /A > MEM.LST) and
> > post it to the list?
>
> Asian-spam looking stuff deleted. :-)
>
> Address Name Size Type
> 0:0000 -------- A0000h, 655,360 ------------- RAM -----
> 0:0000 -------- 400h, 1,024 Interrupt vectors
> 40:0000 -------- 100h, 256 ROM BIOS data area
> 50:0000 DOS 200h, 512 DOS data area
> 70:0000 BIOS 900h, 2,304 Device drivers
> 70:0023 CON System device driver
> 70:0035 AUX System device driver
> 70:0047 PRN System device driver
> 70:0059 CLOCK$ System device driver
> 70:006B COM1 System device driver
> 70:007D COM2 System device driver
> 70:008F COM3 System device driver
> 70:00A1 COM4 System device driver
> 70:00C7 LPT1 System device driver
> 70:00D9 LPT2 System device driver
> 70:00EB LPT3 System device driver
> 70:016E A:-F: System device driver
> 100:0000 DOS 1400h, 5,120 System
> 100:0048 NUL System device driver
> 100:00CC DOS 10Fh, 271 HANDLES=3D, FCBS=3D 5 total
> blocks
> 240:0000 DOS 6B30h, 27,440 System
> 242:0000 DOS A5h, 165 HANDLES=, FCBS= 3 total blocks
> 24F:0000 EMMQXXX0 2F0h, 752 DEVICE installed device driver
> 27F:0000 DPMSXXX0 630h, 1,584 DEVICE = installed device driver
> 2E3:0000 SETVERXX 1F0h, 496 DEVICE = installed device driver
> =B3
> 303:0000 MSCD000 5240h, 21,056 DEVICE = installed device driver
> =B3
> 828:0000 DOS 98Ch, 2,444 HANDLES=, FCBS= 46 total blocks
> =B3
> 8F3:0000 COMMAND 1F0h, 496 Program
> 912:0000 COMMAND 210h, 528 Environment
> 933:0000 TASKMGR 140h, 320 Data
> 947:0000 NWCDEX E0h, 224 Environment
> 955:0000 NWCDEX 1C50h, 7,248 Program
> B1A:0000 TASKMGR E0h, 224 Environment
> B28:0000 TASKMGR 2A0h, 672 Program
> B52:0000 COMMAND 140h, 320 Data
> B66:0000 BITCOM E0h, 224 Environment
> B74:0000 BITCOM 49C10h, 302,096 Program
> 5535:0000 COMMAND E0h, 224 Data
> 5543:0000 COMMAND 1F0h, 496 Program
> 5562:0000 COMMAND 210h, 528 Environment
> 5583:0000 MEM E0h, 224 Environment
> 5591:0000 MEM 15C20h, 89,120 Program
> 6B53:0000 -------- 346C0h, 214,720 FREE
> 9FBF:0000 DOS 28410h, 164,880 System
> 9FC0:0000 -------- 400h, 1,024 Extended ROM BIOS data area
> C000:0000 -------- 8000h, 32,768 ------------- ROM -----
> C800:0000 -------- 24000h, 147,456 ---------- Upper RAM --
> C800:0000 EMM386 340h, 832 XMS Upper Memory Block
> C834:0000 DOS D50h, 3,408 System
> C909:0000 NWCACHE 15C0h, 5,568 XMS Upper Memory Block
> CA65:0000 NWCACHE 4010h, 16,400 XMS Upper Memory Block
> CE66:0000 DRMOUSE 1990h, 6,544 Program
> CFFF:0000 TASKMGR 3960h, 14,688 XMS Upper Memory Block
> D395:0000 COMMAND 2090h, 8,336 Data
> D59E:0000 -------- 16620h, 91,680 FREE
> EC00:0000 -------- 4000h, 16,384 ------------- ROM -----
> F800:0000 -------- 1000h, 4,096 ---------- Shadow ROM -
> FFFF:00E0 COMMAND 2080h, 8,320 Program
> FFFF:2240 DOS F70h, 3,952 DOS BIOS code
> FFFF:31B0 DOS 7280h, 29,312 DOS kernel code
> FFFF:A430 DOS 1F2Ch, 7,980 BUFFERS= 15 disk buffers
> FFFF:C35C -------- D37h, 3,383 FREE
> FFFF:EE96 SHARE 115Ah, 4,442 Program
>
> Memory Type Total Bytes ( Kbytes ) Available For Programs
> Conventional 654,336 ( 639K ) 304,064 ( 297K )
> Upper 147,456 ( 144K ) 91,680 ( 90K )
> High 65,520 ( 64K ) 3,383 ( 3K )
> Extended 57,606,144 ( 56,256K ) 0 ( 0K )
> Extended via XMS -------- 48,076,800 ( 46,950K )
> Largest executable program: 304,048 ( 297K )
> Total Free DOS memory: 395,744 ( 386K )
>
>
> This looks very handy. :-) This says I have 46Mb available via XMS -
> how do I make the programs use that? Also, for something that terminates
> without staying resident, how would I find out how much memory it is
> using?
>
[Joe da Silva]
Well, as others have pointed out, that's not easy. However,
you can find out how much they need (_before_ allocating
extra stuff, if any), using a utility called "minload", available
somewhere on Simtel.Net.
> > Please tell us more about your system configuration.
>
> Like? I'm not really into the technical side, so if you want to find
> something out you need to tell me what commands to run or where I'm
> looking. e.g. I had never used the mem command until just now.
>
>
> > There is at least a few experienced TASKMGR users on the list, and I
> > hope you'll finally get multitasking to work.
>
> It's working okay now, other than the hanging up the modem issue. I had
> it running on an older computer (might've also been an older version), so
> it's frustrating that when I "upgrade" it's not working properly anymore
> (however, I encounter this all the time at work - every single "upgrade"
> we have ever had has made life more difficult in fact).
>
[Joe da Silva]
You can use the command "AT&D0" to tell the modem
to ignore DTR (just add "&D0" to its initialization string).
As someone else mentioned, that's probably what's
causing this problem for you.
> > Remember, as far as anything running in *any* DOS is concerned, you
> > hsave no more than 640k of RAM (768 if you play certain games).
>
> I didn't think that would be an issue, but having done "mem /a" now, I
> can see that I've already used up half my (640k) memory. I guess I need to
> do some fine-tuning of my memory usage?
>
>
> > Well, you should move any files you need to another directory, then
> > remove the hidden attribute (use the attrib command) and then remove the
> > directory.
>
> I went into the recycled directory and did "attrib -h *.*", but it
> didn't find anything. I then went back to the root directory and did
> "attrib -h recycled" and it tells me "file not found".
> So, I wasn't able to clear it in DOS, but the Windows approach worked.
>
> Is there a DOS utility I can run which'll make sure I don't have any
> LFN's hanging around on the disk? I want to keep it clean so that I can
> run delwatch/diskopt on it.
>
>
> thanks,
> DONALD.
>
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