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Datalight's ROM-DOS uses the COPYCMD environment variable as well as the /Y
and /-Y parameters for Copy and Xcopy in it's 7.1 versions. Copy supported
those commands in the final 6.22 release.
Regards,
Jamie
> Q 1: Is there no environment variable named COPYCMD in other 6.22-vs?
>
> Q 2: How differs the command line syntax of XCOPY in other than German vs?
>
> Here is the (translated) command line syntax of the German vs of 6.22:
>
> XCOPY <source> <target> [/Y|/-Y] [/A|/M] [/D:Date] [/P] [/S] [/E]
> [/V] [/W]
>
> To enable or disable overwriting, the params /Y or /-Y are used,
> where /-Y in case of identical filenames leads to the system's question
> "... overwrite ...?", otherwise always is overwritten.
> >>>
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter Lindner
>
> Peter Lindner, Aue Nr. 37, D-91177 Thalmaessing, Tel. +49-9173-1844
> E-Mail: PLind AT Web DOT DE or Lindner-Thalmaessing AT T-Online DOT DE
>
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> On 28 Sep 2003 at 19:08, Lindner-Thalmaessing AT t-online wrote:
>
> > *DOS-version 4.22*??? Leonard Erickson objected (absolutely correct):
> >
> > > This is the first *I* have ever heard of a version
> > > 4.22. The only 4.x versions I'd ever heard of before
> > > were 4.00, which was a major disaster and 4.01 which
> > > fixed the bugs that made 4.00 the disaster.
> > > Would you be so kind as to type VER at a DOS prompt
> > > and posted what it returns, along with a
> > > translation?
> >
> > Sorry |-( *my fault*! My (German) version of MS-DOS is 6.22, not 4.22.
> > Typing VER on my system returns "4DOS 5.50 DOS 6,22". As far as I
> > know vs 6.22 is the last vs of MS-DOS, at least in Germany. My
> > directory C:\DOS shows(vs# in time stamp): XCOPY.EXE 17.250
> > A 31/05/1994 06:22:00 MOVE.EXE 18.613 A 31/05/1994
> > 06:22:00
>
> I think that IBM released a version 7 of PC-DOS. And the DOS
> that underlies Win95 and Win 98 is a version 7.
>
> > Nevertheless - I wonder but now have learned that there must be a lot
> > of users still using and remembering much older DOS versions than me,
> > and work on even more ancient computers. The 3-/4-versions were up to
> > date before I became blind in 1991/92, and I worked with them as long
> > I still could see.
>
> I have a copy of PC-DOS 1.1. :-)
>
> > Q 1: Is there no environment variable named COPYCMD in other 6.22-vs?
>
> I can't check that until I get a chance to boot one of my
> systems under DOS 5 & 6.
>
> > Q 2: How differs the command line syntax of XCOPY in other than German
> > vs?
>
> Well, I posted the syntax of the versions I could check
> easily. Checking others would require digging out old boot
> disks.
>
> --
> Leonard Erickson (aka shadow)
> shadow at krypton dot rain dot com
>
>
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> It works OK for me.
>
> Joe.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Florian Xaver [SMTP:flox AT drdos DOT org]
> > Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 6:52 PM
> > To: opendos AT delorie DOT com
> > Subject: devicelogics site
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > Does somebody know what's up? The customer area is a dead link since a
> > week or so.
> >
> > bye, flox
> >
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> Sorry, i was very tired yesterday ... i meant the "Community Login", the
> forum of the drdos.com webpage.
>
> bye, flox
>
> da Silva, Joe wrote:
> > It works OK for me.
>
> --
> Florian Xaver
>
> http://www.drdos.org / http://www.ostbahn.de.vu
> http://www.flox.at.tf / www.denk-fanpage.at.tf
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> Oh ... Well, that seems broken. :-/
>
> I guess your next step is to e-mail devicelogics and ask them.
>
> Joe.
>
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> > From: Florian Xaver [SMTP:flox AT drdos DOT org]
> > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 6:03 PM
> > To: opendos AT delorie DOT com
> > Subject: Re: devicelogics site
> >
> >
> > Sorry, i was very tired yesterday ... i meant the "Community
> Login", the
> > forum of the drdos.com webpage.
> >
> > bye, flox
> >
> > da Silva, Joe wrote:
> > > It works OK for me.
> >
> > --
> > Florian Xaver
> >
> > http://www.drdos.org / http://www.ostbahn.de.vu
> > http://www.flox.at.tf / www.denk-fanpage.at.tf
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> From: DONALD PEDDER <jims_son AT jedi DOT apana DOT org DOT au>
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> Subject: Re: confirm before over-write
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> > > Again, compatability can be maintained by having it switched off by
> > > default, but that's no reason to dis-able it from being
> switched on when
> > > desired.
> >
> > Again, it's not a matter of "switched off". It's a matter of the option
> > *not existing*.
>
> "switched off", "not exisitng" - whatever words you use, it's not
> there (unlike most packages).
>
>
> > > Compatability doesn't demand it be permanently disabled (only Bill
> > > trying to get people to stop using DOS dictates things getting
> > > permanently disabled - and in trying to get people away from MS,
> > > DR-DOS should be as flexible as possible to enhance it's appeal).
> >
> > Again, you are *assuming* that the intended market is home use.
>
> Where have I assumed that? I stated that DOS/Windows was part of the
> push to get personal use of computers (which was demonstrably successful)
> - that was 20 years ago. Today Bill Gates' intention is to get rid of DOS
> altogether, and Lineo was pushing for the embedded systems market (I don't
> know about the latest owners).
>
> As I said, if you want to make as much money as possible, you have to
> make your product as attractive as possible. Home use is PART of the
> market, so the better it is for home use, the more money you're likely to
> make. Personal use is cream on top of the business cake.
>
>
> > True enough. But that's why my backup routines went
> > like this:
> >
> > Backup to tape
> > Verify backups
>
> And sometimes backups become un-usable even after a successful
> verification. People shouldn't have to rely on backups. They are just that
> - a back-up, a back-up plan. Plan B. What you resort to when Plan A
> doesn't work. That's why they're called "backups".
>
>
> > The IBM PC was designed as an "under the table" project by some IBM
> > engineers. When Visicalc got the Apple into businesses in a big way, IBM
> > management started looking for a "personal computer" that could be sold
> > to both buisiness and home, but they expected the real money to be
> > business users.
>
> My understanding is that IBM wanted to get into the growing personal
> computer market (having only manufactured business machines before -
> I.B.M., International Business Machines - mainframes and mid-ranges). They
> might've wanted to sell it to business too, and maybe even get more money
> from business, but the aim was still to get into the personal market. Get
> some cream on top of the cake. Having a computer that could be sold to
> both business and personal users is a change to what they'd done
> before, which was only sell to business. IBM wanted a presence in the
> personal computer market, and DOS/Windows was central to that project.
> Whether it's a minor share or not, DOS was aimed at a market that
> includes personal users (and should therefore be able to be programmed in
> a suitable way).
>
>
> > I just checked a DOS reference manual (that covered versions from 1.0 on
> > up thru 3.3) and the *only* options for copy were /A, /B and /V.
>
> MS-DOS (Win95) has prompting by default (I know, because I just checked
> it by actually doing an xcopy), PINE has prompting by default, FTP has
> prompting by default - DR-DOS is the ONLY tool I am currently using which
> doesn't prompt for confirmation before overwrite.
>
>
> > I checked the PC-DOS 4.01 and MS-DOS 5.01 manuals and had no luck
> > either. The Novell DOS 6.0 manual lists /c as the switch for
> > confirmation.
>
> I am pretty sure that when I was using 6 point something, it was there
> by default (but that was a while ago).
>
>
> > And that does work in DR-DOS 7.03. I had missed it before because 4dos
> > uses /C for "copy changed files only"
>
> Aha! It's not showing up, so after all this arg... er, spirited
> discussion, :-) the ultimate answer to my question is that the option DOES
> exist (although it's not the default), but it's undocumented. Is there a
> way to make it the default? I don't have any experience with undocumented
> features (obviously I can't look it up if it's undocumented).
>
> Thanks for finding that for me. I was going to try and see if I had any
> disks still for 6.whatever, since I was sure it was there, but now you've
> found it for me.
>
>
> > Alas, since copy is built into command.com, you can't use the batch file
> > dodge to "force" the /c.
>
> I don't understand. Are you saying that "copy ... .... /c" in a batch
> file won't work? Why not? Confused.
>
>
> thanks,
> dp.
>
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> On 30 Sep 2003 at 1:58, DONALD PEDDER wrote:
>
> > > True enough. But that's why my backup routines went
> > > like this:
> > >
> > > Backup to tape
> > > Verify backups
> >
> > And sometimes backups become un-usable even after a successful
> > verification. People shouldn't have to rely on backups. They
> are just that
> > - a back-up, a back-up plan. Plan B. What you resort to when Plan A
> > doesn't work. That's why they're called "backups".
>
> Well, given that a "proper" backup scheme involves
> daily, weekly, monthly and yearly backups (though
> the latter two are mostly for archival purposes, not
> for restoration of the system), you really have to
> have problems for the backups to be useless.
>
> Then again, that sortof thing was overkill for most
> home systems.
>
> > > Alas, since copy is built into command.com, you can't use the
> batch file
> > > dodge to "force" the /c.
> >
> > I don't understand. Are you saying that "copy ... .... /c" in a batch
> > file won't work? Why not? Confused.
>
> No, I'm saying that since "copy" is in internal
> function of command.com, you can't use the dodge
> that we used with the *external* format program.
>
> The dodge worked because we could rename FORMAT.COm
> to something else and create a FORMAT.BAT.
>
> Doing that with COPY requires (if you are lucky)
> using a hex editor to patch COMMAND.COM
>
> Somebody posting something about a COPYCMD
> environment variable. No oidea how (or *if*) it
> works in DR-dOs.
>
> --
> Leonard Erickson (aka shadow)
> shadow at krypton dot rain dot com
>
>
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> The following might be useful in this context. It's a batch file
> I call MVN.BAT, which moves files which are "new" only, as
> in files that don't exist in the destination directory. In other
> words, it won't overwrite files.
>
> You may be able to modify it to provide prompt-on-replace
> capability using COPY, XCOPY or REPLACE (and call it
> something appropriate, of course) ...
>
> @echo off
> REM MVN V1.11a (C) JdS 2000 [Freeware]
> if $%1==$ goto help
> if $%1==$/? goto help
> if $%1==$/h goto help
> if $%1==$/H goto help
> if $%2==$ goto default1
> if $%OS%==$DRDOS if not direxist %2 goto help
> REM Check if destination is a root directory ...
> if %2==\ goto root
> for %%d in (a b c d e f g h i j k l m) do if %2==%%d:\ goto root
> for %%d in (n o p q r s t u v w x y z) do if %2==%%d:\ goto root
> for %%d in (A B C D E F G H I J K L M) do if %2==%%d:\ goto root
> for %%d in (N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z) do if %2==%%d:\ goto root
> :dir
> REM Destination is not a root directory ...
> if not $%OS%==$DRDOS if not exist %2\nul goto help
> if $%1==$ for %%f in (*.*) do if not exist %2\%%f move %%f %2
> if not $%1==$ for %%f in (%1) do if not exist %2\%%f move %%f %2
> goto end
> :root
> REM Destination is a root directory ...
> if not $%OS%==$DRDOS if not exist %2nul goto help
> if $%1==$ for %%f in (*.*) do if not exist %2%%f move %%f %2
> if not $%1==$ for %%f in (%1) do if not exist %2%%f move %%f %2
> goto end
> :default1
> REM One argument, try to re-invoke MVN with default *.* filename_mask ...
> if $%0==$ MVN *.* %1
> if not $%0==$ %0 *.* %1
> echo Error - Unable to default "Filename_Mask" (couldn't locate
> MVN.BAT) ...
> echo.
> :help
> echo MVN - Move New [Files] (Move files not already at destination)
> echo.
> echo Usage : MVN [Filename_Mask] Destination_Directory
> echo.
> :end
>
> Joe.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gary Welles [SMTP:gary AT wellesway DOT com]
> > Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 10:46 PM
> > To: OpenDos
> > Subject: Re: confirm before over-write
> >
> > Eric Meyer, author of Video Display Editor (VDE) complained of
> > these same deficiencies and wrote his own utilities. Now
> > freeware, MFD v1.2 is available at:
> >
> > http://short.stop.home.att.net/index.htm
> > http://www.geocities.com/rlcgreen/softlib1.htm
> >
> > -- Gary Welles
> >
> > +--------
> > The MFD (Meyer File/Directory) Utilities are a collection of six
> > small,
> > efficient DOS programs that offer more powerful and convenient
> management
> > of
> > files and directories than standard DOS commands:
> >
> > * find or operate on files by name, time/date, attributes, or size
> > * compactly display a full range of file and directory information
> > * change file or directory names, attributes, or time/date
> > * compare directory contents, showing different files and versions
> > * copy, move, back up (archive), and delete files efficiently
> > * find, create, or move levels of directories quickly
> > * easily customize default options
> >
> > What's more, to get all these features, you don't need to change or
> > replace any part of standard DOS, or load a big awkward shell. . . .
> > +---------
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