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| Date: | Fri, 31 May 2002 02:15:35 -0700
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| Subject: | Re: DOS/Linux coexistence (was: [Club Dr-DOS]) #2
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I just installed Caldera Open Linux 2.3 and it gives you a choice of
putting the linux loader in the MBR (if you are sure you will never,
never, ever want to use another OS on your computer) or in the
Linux partition if you want to use another OS at some time or another.
This is for us diehard DOS fans and M$ WIN people who can not
give up the addiction to Bill's rules. You also have the option of
installing everything, a standard install, or pick your own packages if
you are running short on disk space. Version 1.3 also had these
options but the installation used XF86Setup and was not to user friendly.
I am getting ready to install RedHat 7.2 and from the docs it looks like
the install menu is pretty good.
I recommend buying a book like "Red Hat Linux 7.2 Weekend Crash Course".
They include 2 CD's with Red Hat Linux 7.2 Publisher's Edition,
featuring
GNOME and KDE, Linux Kernal 2.4.x, Apache, Samba, Netscape, and
30 manual sessions which are supposed to have you up and running in
15 hours. ISBN 0-7645-3642-7. If you go this route you have a hard
copy of the manual to set up the install, and a large assortment of
programs and games which, while admittedly someone else's idea of a good
distribution, make it a rather painless first experience for the first
time or
frustrated person who has tried for weeks (months) to get it all up on
his
old but favorite machine. You'll need at least 800 MB on the hard drive
for
a minimum install and should have 2 GB if you want to do a full install
and
also have DOS or (UGH) M$ WINDOWS on it. The 2.4.x kernel has
support for USB and someone is working on Firewire. It also covers most
of the more popular manufacturers Video boards, Modems, and sound cards.
However, it will not support any of the cheap trash that cost nothing
because
it requires some software from M$ WIN to run. There are several other
good
books out there and most cost only about $30/$40 US and include a very
complete distribution. Be careful to get one that includes the new 2.4.x
version
of the kernel or you will have to spend some time getting the right
drivers and
optimizing your installation. I went through 7 installs with Caldera 1.3
before
I finally got the mouse and video set up right. the newer versions
mostly have
a search mode which checks out your computer for you and you don't have
to
do as much research on your video, sound card, modem, M/B, etc in case
the
setup program can not find it in it's data base and you have to install
it manually
by editing files.
Of course a lot of the people on this list are just naturally gluttons
for punishment
and masochistic after years of using the old dinosaur DOS and making it
do all
of the things dear old uncle Bill and IBM said it couldn't do. You know
the type.
Most of us probably are one anyway.
Those people should probably just go out on the net and find the various
pieces
of the GNU-Linux OS and download them to their old 486's with 8 MB of ram
and a couple of 500MB Scuzzie drives. After they have them all loaded up
on a
Linux folder on one of the drives (about 1400 files to make sure you
have all the
programmers tools and libraries that you might ever need) they can start
setting up
the various partitions on the other drive and begin reading the man(ual)
pages to
find out what order to begin the Linux install. Of course most of the
old DOS
people can HACK just about anything and enjoy the feeling you get when
you stop
beating your head up against a brick wall.
Hope you all have fun with your DOS/Linux computers.
BOB "DOMAN" MOSS
By the way, I almost forgot, but I have three 60 MB IBM SCUZZY drives and
I
need to figure out what resistor packs to pull off when I install them.
They have
three and there are also three on the controller card. These are old 50
pin drives
I got at a Computer Show and there is no documentation. I was figuring
that I
should just pull all of them except those on the controller. I also
have to figure
out how to set the four position dip switch for the drive numbers.
Now if I can just figure out why my new/old K6BV3+/66 M/B won't
recognize
the keyboard, I can get on with my DOS world.
ENJOY and remember to eat chocolate every day.
On Thu, 30 May 2002 08:19:17 -0500 /dev/rob0 <i812 AT softhome DOT net> writes:
> On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 07:01:46PM +1000, da Silva, Joe wrote:
> > Loadlin.exe sounds like a great idea - I'll certainly look into
> this option.
>
> I've never understood why it gets so little attention, even among
> former
> DOS users. I did eventually switch to LILO myself, but only because
> I
> wanted one esoteric LILO feature. Most users wouldn't care about
> that
> feature, and they could happily use DOS to manage their booting.
>
> > It will be nice not to lose the safety provided by good ol' DDO
> (sure, it
> > uses up a wee bit of conventional memory but, as I commented on
>
> Hmmm, if it's a DOS TSR, loadlin will eliminate it. I'm not sure
> about
> how it will work.
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most </DIV>
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<DIV>However, it will not support any of the cheap trash that cost nothing=
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know the type. </DIV>
<DIV>Most of us probably are one anyway. </DIV>
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various=20
pieces </DIV>
<DIV>of the GNU-Linux OS and download them to their old 486's with 8 MB of =
ram=20
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<DIV>and a couple of 500MB Scuzzie drives. After they have them all =
loaded=20
up on a </DIV>
<DIV>Linux folder on one of the drives (about 1400 files to make sure=
you=20
have all the </DIV>
<DIV>programmers tools and libraries that you might ever need) they can =
start=20
setting up </DIV>
<DIV>the various partitions on the other drive and begin reading the man(=
ual)=20
pages to </DIV>
<DIV>find out what order to begin the Linux install. Of course most =
of the=20
old DOS </DIV>
<DIV>people can HACK just about anything and enjoy the feeling you get when=
you=20
stop </DIV>
<DIV>beating your head up against a brick wall. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Hope you all have fun with your DOS/Linux computers. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>BOB "DOMAN" MOSS </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>By the way, I almost forgot, but I have three 60 MB IBM SCUZZY drives =
and I=20
</DIV>
<DIV>need to figure out what resistor packs to pull off when I install=20
them. They have </DIV>
<DIV>three and there are also three on the controller card. These are=
old=20
50 pin drives</DIV>
<DIV>I got at a Computer Show and there is no documentation. I was=20
figuring that I </DIV>
<DIV>should just pull all of them except those on the controller. I =
also=20
have to figure </DIV>
<DIV>out how to set the four position dip switch for the drive numbers. </=
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Now if I can just figure out why my new/old K6BV3+/66 M/B =
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<DIV>the keyboard, I can get on with my DOS world. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>ENJOY and remember to eat chocolate every day. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>On Thu, 30 May 2002 08:19:17 -0500 /dev/rob0 <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:i812 AT softhome DOT net">i812 AT softhome DOT net</A>> writes:<BR>>=
On=20
Thu, May 30, 2002 at 07:01:46PM +1000, da Silva, Joe wrote:<BR>> >=20
Loadlin.exe sounds like a great idea - I'll certainly look into <BR>> =
this=20
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attention,=20
even among <BR>> former<BR>> DOS users. I did eventually switch to =
LILO=20
myself, but only because <BR>> I<BR>> wanted one esoteric LILO =
feature.=20
Most users wouldn't care about <BR>> that<BR>> feature, and they =
could=20
happily use DOS to manage their booting.<BR>> <BR>> > It will be =
nice=20
not to lose the safety provided by good ol' DDO <BR>> (sure, it<BR>> =
>=20
uses up a wee bit of conventional memory but, as I commented on<BR>> <BR=
>>=20
Hmmm, if it's a DOS TSR, loadlin will eliminate it. I'm not sure <BR>>=20
about<BR>> how it will work.<BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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