Mail Archives: opendos/2001/06/25/21:17:28
On 2001-06-24, Patrick Moran wrote:
Thanks for the explanation, Pat. I think it helped to
distinguish the purpose of the two groups. Still some
comments [Warning: Off-topic again...]
> I think you missed my point. I am sick and tired of links
> not working and referring people to links for files that
> do not exist any more. I will give some examples as I go
> with this message. I do have a link to the www.drdos.org
> site as it still works and use it often, but many links
> on that page are broken. I cannot find one good link any
> place for WEBSPYDER Beta 2. The link that I think you
> mentions in the DOS FORUM WEB page for DR-DOS 5.0 is no
> good.
Hm, I do not usually frequent web-based forums because it
takes too long to fill out web forms. Online costs are still
very high in Europe... Also I see no point in supporting
web-based forums, when email is a much more convenient,
resource-saving, and cost-effective medium for everyone.
Anyway, I am positive that I never mentioned any link to
DR DOS 5.0 for download, except for - maybe - the partial
copy on Lineoīs FTP-Server ftp://ftp.lineo.com, which
unfortunately is a broken archive, like all the other old
DR DOS issues there - at least I have never been able to
make any use of them. Anyone?
It is a pity that DR-WebSpyder BETA 2 and all the other candies
disappeared, but I strongly assume that this happened for the
same reasons why other Caldera archives vanished, the license
included in the archive simply does not allow re-distribution,
so - without Calderaīs/Lineoīs permission to the contrary -
this would not be legal, Iīm afraid.
> Now people from anywhere can go to this group I made and directly
> download these files from there. I currently have DR-DOS 3.40,
> 3.41, 5.0, 6.0, Novell DOS 7.0, Concurrent DOS-386 v2.0, and the
> Novell DOS 7.0 TIDs, TIPs, Tutors, and other related stuff. No one
> has all of this at any one place. Most or some and maybe all of
> this is very hard to find, especially the latest versions,
> updates, and working automatic updates.
I see the point, yes. This is quite different from what
<opendos AT delorie DOT com> is about...
BTW. OpenDOS 7.01, DR-DOS 7.02, and DR-DOS 7.03 should be available
on ftp://ftp.lineo.com. Also the mailing list archives of the
old "offical" <caldera-opendos AT rim DOT caldera DOT com> mailing list
1997-1999 should be available for download there.
>> or Christophīs http://www.drdos.net? (Well, my site is still
>
> This page is no good. All I get when I try to get on this site
> is error 403: forbidden.
Upps, I havenīt checked it recently. Is it down?
> Also, it seems that your page or pages have been changed as well,
> my bookmarks do not work any more for your web pages.
Yes, unfortunately the server moved slightly in 2001-02. Remove
the "rhrz" from the http link (or use the link or forwarder in
my signature) and everything will be fine again. I did, however,
announce the change in this and other forums and have sent
private mails to all people I could identify who had set
links to my pages.
>> around as well, but many external links on the OpenDOS page
>> are broken and the info has not been updated. This will remain
>> so for "historic reasons" - I would like to add new pages
>> but I donīt find the time...)
>
> This is a real pain in the butt. When I refer people to the
> OpenDOS page and the links are broken. I do not have the time to
> go to all of the DOS/CP/M/GEM and other websites and check out
> their links. The owners should check them and update them. If they
> are there for historical purposes, say so and state link no longer
> valid next to it.
I clearly state this in the very first paragraph of my OpenDOS
pages... ;-)
The other pages should still have valid links, if not, I will
update them as soon as I learn about a dangling pointer.
>> - By joining them you declare that they can do whatever
>> they what to do with the contents and thereby they
want
>> undergo common copyright laws, which are maintained
>> in most individually or university funded newsgroups
>> and mailing lists...
>
> You can use phoney filenames and encrypt them and who can do
> anything about that?
Sorry, Iīm not sure I understand this sentence.
My point was that - unless declared otherwise - when you
make a substantive contribution somewhere, this gets copy-
righted automatically. There is nothing special about it,
thatīs just common international and local copyright law.
This means that noone is allowed to just reuse your work
and declare it as his own IP, and will also prohibit many
other uses of the contents without the authorīs prior
permission. I donīt have a problem with this and have
always given my permission when asked, but I can get
quite upset when I find myself falsely cited somewhere
in inappropriate context so that the reader must draw
wrong implications on the subject or intentions, or even
more worse, when I find verbatim excerpts of my writings
or posts anonymously reused in other peopleīs work and
declared as their own work without any indication of
sources at all and without my knowledge.
(Besides it also has practically reasons, I can only
update info, when I know where it is (re-)used.)
Posting in Yahoo groups, one gives up many of his rights,
or at least allows them to use the contents for commercial
task without ones own knowledge and control - including
raster-scanning and profiling for marketing purposes and
other IMHO bad excesses, which more and more destroy the
original atmosphere and net culture.
That this already happens everywhere and without permission
does not make it more legal - for example S P A M is simply
and plainly illegal in many countries including France,
Austria, and Germany. There is no excuse, itīs just very
difficult to catch the culprits...
Of course, one could post anonymously or with faked
addresses, but this is clearly against the Netiquette
and opens many ways to abuse - look at all the S P A M
and other junk around. People who think they must hide
themselfs under pseudonyms instead of posting under
their real names are often prone to make false claims,
or otherwise show wrong attitude and habits. In many
cases, they donīt take it serious and hence are not
worth listening... (There are a few exceptions, for
example if they report about massacres in dictatorships
and would risk their lifes when revealing their true
identities - but fortunately this is not an issue in
technical groups.)
A basic principle of justice is that you cannot
reasonably argument against something when doing just
the same (but for a "good purpose").
>> Well, I think that DJ Delorie has done a great job in
>> keeping this forum open and up for more than four years
>> now and it does not look as if he would plan to abandon it.
>
> Yes this is a good forum, however he has a lot of restrictions
> and a lot of my messages get bounced.
Yes, I also had a problem once when my variable names
contained too many xīes... It took me quite some time
to find out why... ;->
But this happened in one single occasion and I think
I post quite often here... ;-) IMHO it is better this
way than the other way around, where we would all get
swamped with S P A M.
> DB
??? Pat, are you actually writing this, or is someone
making this up???
Anyway, thanks for the info.
Greetings,
Matthias
--
Matthias Paul, Ubierstrasse 28, D-50321 Bruehl, Germany
<mailto:Matthias DOT Paul AT post DOT rwth-aachen DOT de>; <mailto:mpaul AT drdos DOT org>
http://www.uni-bonn.de/~uzs180/mpdokeng.html; http://mpaul.drdos.org
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