Mail Archives: opendos/2001/06/24/17:41:13
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From: "Matthias Paul" <Matthias DOT Paul AT post DOT rwth-aachen DOT de>
To: <opendos AT delorie DOT com>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: New DR-DOS Club and eGroup
> On 2001-06-23, Patrick Moran wrote:
>
> > Leaves I have started a new Club and Group at Yahoo. I have
been
> > having a lot of problems with trying to give people links to
> > follow for software related to DRI. Links are broken, sites
> > and software have disappeared.
>
> Hm, I hope not to sound too negative. I appreciate any DRI
> related activism -- in fact, we would need much more of it!
>
> But still, why donīt you point them to Florianīs
http://www.drdos.org
I think you missed my point. I am sick and tired of links not
working and referring people to links for files that do not exist
any more. I will give some examples as I go with this message. I
do have a link to the www.drdos.org site as it still works and use
it often, but many links on that page are broken. I cannot find
one good link any place for WEBSPYDER Beta 2. The link that I
think you mentions in the DOS FORUM WEB page for DR-DOS 5.0 is no
good.
In fact I have not been able to connect with any bookmarks I have
or find on web pages for any xxxx.cjb.net site.
Now people from anywhere can go to this group I made and directly
download these files from there. I currently have DR-DOS 3.40,
3.41, 5.0, 6.0, Novell DOS 7.0, Concurrent DOS-386 v2.0, and the
Novell DOS 7.0 TIDs, TIPs, Tutors, and other related stuff. No one
has all of this at any one place. Most or some and maybe all of
this is very hard to find, especially the latest versions,
updates, and working automatic updates.
> or Christophīs http://www.drdos.net? (Well, my site is still
This page is no good. All I get when I try to get on this site is
error 403: forbidden.
I get the same for docdos.net
Also, it seems that your page or pages have been changed as well,
my bookmarks do not work any more for your web pages.
> around as well, but many external links on the OpenDOS page
> are broken and the info has not been updated. This will remain
> so for "historic reasons" - I would like to add new pages
> but I donīt find the time...)
This is a real pain in the butt. When I refer people to the
OpenDOS page and the links are broken. I do not have the time to
go to all of the DOS/CP/M/GEM and other websites and check out
their links. The owners should check them and update them. If they
are there for historical purposes, say so and state link no longer
valid next to it.
> Personally I have a problem with Yahoo! groups for several
> reasons:
>
> - It is very difficult to configure per email (at least last
> time I tried a couple of months ago), and the web interface
> is confusing and slow at best. Well, I donīt like to
> be dependent on a graphical web browser anyway, because
> it does not allow me to work offline.
I did not seem to have any such problems. I set everything up in
just a couple of hours and was receiving e-mail almost
immediately. I have joined other groups and do not recall having
to give private information. (You can always lie about that. I
have mailboxes set up just for that purpose and phoney user
information that is setup in Gator and all I do is click on the
profile I want in Gator and it fills out the forms for me
automatically.)
> - Yahoo asks all kind of privacy info to join a group.
> I am not going to give more info to someone anonymous
> (and commercial!) than I like to.
>
> - By joining them you declare that they can do whatever
> they what to do with the contents and thereby they
> undergo common copyright laws, which are maintained
> in most individually or university funded newsgroups
> and mailing lists...
You can use phoney filenames and encrypt them and who can do
anything about that?
> Well, I think that DJ Delorie has done a great job in
> keeping this forum open and up for more than four years
> now and it does not look as if he would plan to abandon it.
Yes this is a good forum, however he has a lot of restrictions and
a lot of my messages get bounced.
> Traffic has been very low or quite off-topic recently,
> but I donīt see this changing if everyone has to join
> five or more DR-DOS related groups and chats instead
> of one, and check dozends of websites. So, why *donīt*
> we all join *one* forum (preferably this one, if DJ
> does not plan to abandon it) and refer anyone interested
> in joining this forum as well?
Yes but people can go to my group and do it all in one place.
Messages, Chat, Files, links, etc.
I have e-mail several people each of the following:
DR-DOS 3.41, DR-DOS, WEBSPYDER, DR-DOS 6.0, updates and other
DR-DOS stuff. I have also posted this stuff several times to News
Groups, because it is not available, or links are broken, or the
files are messed up. I have redone the messed up boot sectors,
updates that do not work right, outdated TID, TIPS and other stuff
I have found to be jacked up.
> The bottom line is: What is the advantage to have
> two instead of one mailing lists dealing with the
> same subject? Donīt you think we should join forces
> instead of cast outselfs in the winds? Pat, I wish
> many people will join your group, but do you think
> that the audience will be different from that in
> this group? If so, why donīt we come together in
> one forum?
>
> Please get this as constructive criticism.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Matthias
>
> BTW. Something that I like to see improved:
>
> Old logs of this group should be made available
> for download somewhere from DJīs site. Preferably
> as ASCII text packed in monthly .ZIP files.
> This would allow to browse the stuff offline.
> DJ, would do you think?
I think this is a good idea, but how much space does he have at
that site? You can get many megabytes of old DR-DOS stuff like
this right from the Lineo site. Probably 10's of megabytes. I just
downloaded a few of them and it was several MB. Eventually I'll
get them all.
DB
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