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From: "Patrick Moran" <pmoran22 AT yahoo DOT com>
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Subject: Re: About Micro$quash DOS 7 (hiding in Win98).
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:41:06 -0700
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From: "Bernie" <bernie AT mbox302 DOT swipnet DOT se>
To: <opendos AT delorie DOT com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: About Micro$quash DOS 7 (hiding in Win98).


> Ah, I see your point. But this is AFAIK regarding installing anything in
> Windows (9x anyway). Last time I screwed up the order (I think I missed
> installing DirectX 3 before 7 or something else that shouldn't make a
> diffrence). Once when I wanted to reinstall it took me three days to get
> NIC, TV-card and graphics card to work at the same time (with the drivers
I
> wanted to use). I'm lucky I have my SCSI card in the other computer so I
> don't need to fight with that as well ;-)

Yes, this is exactly what I was talking about. Also those TV cards can be a
b*tch. When 98 first can out, those tuner cards did all kinds of things. You
would install it and thr radio would not work or the TV would not work or
neither would work or both would work. IF you were lucky enough to get both
to work and shutdown the system, the next time you rebooted, one or the
other would not work. I would tell the customer about it, then tell them
once they got both working, DO NOT SHUT DOWN THE SYSTEM. Many people opted
to go back to 95.

They probably got most of that cleared up after few months when new drivers
were available for 98. The problem was, no one would write new drivers for
98 or anything else because of MS Micky Mousing around. No one ever new if
and/or when MS would actually release something. They just got sick and
tired of writing drivers then MS would do some other thing. It is much like
WINDOZE  94, it was supposed to come out in 94, then they changed the name
of it to 95, they just barely got it out before 96 or they would have had to
rename it AGAIN!!!!!

> Everything I've ever read about this subject is that (basically - there
are
> smaller changes as well of course). A Pentium II is a Pentium Pro with
more
> cache and MMX support.
> This is easily verified - run a program that's not supposed to work on a
> Pentium Pro and it will be obvious that it doesn't work on a Pentium
II/III
> for the same reasons (CyberDogs is a small and fun game that comes to
> mind). Often these errors are claimed to be on the CPU speed but if you
> really dig into the information you'll see that it is due to a basic
> diffrence in Pentium Pros and others. My 400MHz AMD K6-2 is clearly above
> the 200MHz that's often mentioned as the culprit for the programs/games to
> not work but it still works since it's based on the 8086 (as opposed to
> Pentium Pros/II/III that are based on Pentium Pros).

This is not so with Linux at least. I have not had either processor, but saw
a lot of reports from Linux users on this subject. They all stated the got
less peformance with the II than the Pro. Linux had no plans to use MMX.
There were also many references to specifics. There is a definite difference
in Linux. Now that sppeds are up, it probably does not make much difference.
Also the K5 and K6 scream with Linux and most Linux users prefer them.

Now with the newer faster DIMMs, RDIMMs, etc The K6 and K7s are much better.
The Pro MBs I have seen do not support DIMMs and have a 33MHz FSB.

There were other issues, like multiprocessing.

> That (running out of memory) has only happened once for me - but that was
> with very little memory (4MB) and in Win 3.11, the funny thing was that I
> didn't have enough memory to close windows since that was what I was doing
;-)
> In general the normal ammount of RAM in your machine is more than enough.
> And yes I do run several things at once - where several programs might
even
> claim to use more than my maximum ammount of RAM.

Imust be doing a lot of things you are not. In 95, it actaully told me to
remove some files to make more space fro VM, it had run out of memory! I had
over 100MB of free disk space before swap file is installed! I have 48MB
RAM.  NT seems to be a lot better and I don't have these problems.

Pat




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