Mail Archives: opendos/2000/11/01/12:30:17
Actually you can just download the last dos/win client (2.71 I
believe) and it comes with tcpip.exe , iptunnel.exe and what not. You
probably need to use nwip.exe but it's apt to be very slow starting up
during its search for a DSS server (I suppose you could just set the DSS
server to 127.0.0.1 so it times out quicker)
I never ran PNW, I know the client would almost certainly work, but I'm
not so sure about the server aspect, because at some point (with any of
the encapsulation schemes) something has to strip out the IPX packets from
the ip frames. I don't know if nwip.exe will do that, normally it's the
nwip.nlm on the novell server which does it. I guess you can always just
try pointing the two machines at each other and see what happens.
I've only use iptunnel for server-server connections, so again I don't
know if you can say take two pnw machines, point their iptunnel's at each
other and make it work.
To come up with a reliable up to date installation you really have to
(well this is what I did) is install one machine with just the novell
client, choosing the features you want, then look at all the files used,
and then try and intergrate that into a working pnw installation and hope
for the best. In my case I had three machines, one with lan workplace for
dos, one with the lastest novell client, and one with drdos and spent a
good day adding all three together to produce a good dos workstation.
As far as interaction with linux, even the commercial novell servers for
linux, sco, etc have no support for anything except pure IPX, and novell
doesn't seem to have any plans to make them netware 5 IP compatible, or
even compatible with the migration agent to support NWIP, IPTUNNEL,
IPRELAY and the other encapsulation schemes.
(if one had a win2k server you could use gateway services for netware to
try and tie every thing together, or you could attempt to reexport a
mounted smb file system via mars_nwe under linux/bsd but I'd dare say
that would be shaky)
webspyder alone won't work because you need a working ipx subsystem which
will only happen if you load something which looks to the vlm's as a real
ipx device.
In an ideal world caldera would have bought the entire lan workplace for
dos package from Novell, updated it to use the newer tcpip subsystem,
repackaged it and maybe added it to their retail version of drdos, since
it allows for example, multiple LWP tasks under multiple DOS sessions,
came with a decent telnet and ftp app, nice snmp console, etc.
In support of our 12 novell server system with win95 clients, we have one
boot floppy which supports 9 network cards chosen from a dos menu system,
supports pure ipx or ipx over tcpip (via nwip), provides ftp (to get that
one stupid file you need to get the machine to boot up again) and ftpd (to
get files off the hd during a swap/upgrade) as well as just logging into
the novell server to install win95 over the network (you can run the other
dos tcpip tools after you've logged in like telnet, tftp, etc).
Try that using MS's lan manager for dos!
BTW, Novell support is expensive, so is Netware, so is hiring a CNE. If a
netware admin needs to call support more than 1 or 2 hours a year, he
should be replaced.
Novell's attitude is that they need to pay big bucks for people who can
intelligently help a CNE in the field who has a problem that he can't
resolve on his own and isn't in the knowledge base. Every call which
comes into that line goes into the knowledge base.
They also make bug fixes availible for free almost imediately for
download. They were one of the first PC software companies to make
everything easily availible on the internet.
If you want to make the argument that say the 3.12 -> 3.2 upgrade is a bug
fix (which it mostly is) which is very expensive (which it relatively is)
and should really be just downloadable to any site running any legal copy
of netware 3, then I'll agree with the extorsion comments.
Our budget office certainly didn't understand why we would have to pay to
upgrade from netware 4.12 - 4.2 and I really dont either, except perhaps
they want to sell you Netware 5.1 (which for us is a 62k hit and thats at
more than 50% off...we're not exactly running to Novell 5).
Sho
On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Patrick Moran wrote:
> Couldn't samba be used? I know you can connect PNW DoS system to a WINDOZE
> server, but you cannot configure the PNW as a server with WINDOZE. Also you
> can use TCP/IP with PNW. I believe you have to pay for it in binary version.
> You may be able to do it buy installing WEBSPYDER and using it's TCP/IP. I
> have not tried that.
>
> You could use NetBIOS through a serail or parallel port to do it. I know it
> can be done some way because several years ago, I was helpng a blind person
> on FIDnet install Linux from his DOS machine as a terminal to his desktop
> for Linux. He had a brail interface on the PC. Several of us on FIDOnet
> helped him do it. I believe he used the PNW from DRDOS to do it. BTW PNW
> will run on other makes of DOS. It is not just confined to DRDOS. Back when
> Novell had DRDOS, PNW could be purchsed separately. Since you got it for
> free when you purchased DRDOS and at the same price, most people did not buy
> it that way. I had a freind that ran a BBS here locally that had Netware
> Lite and he could upgrade Lite to PNW for 39.95 and that is what he did. The
> advantage was that he got two rather large manuals for PNW. Those manuals
> were not ncluded with PNW when you bought DOS.
>
> Pat
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ben A L Jemmett" <ben DOT jemmett AT ukonline DOT co DOT uk>
> To: <opendos AT delorie DOT com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 10:39 AM
> Subject: Re: Information on networking with drdos
>
>
> > > I'd like to use DRDOS and its personal netware to give a linux box
> access
> > > to my DOS box using smbfs, ie. the DOS box should be configured as a
> file
> > > server.
> > I'm afraid that can't be done. Personal NetWare uses its own network
> > protocols (IPX as the transport, with basically the NetWare 2 NCPs and a
> few
> > others as the actual transfer protocol - SMB on the other hand usually
> runs
> > over TCP/IP or whichever of NetBEUI/NetBIOS I mean).
> >
> > You could try installing PNW as a server on the DOS machine and see if the
> > various NetWare tools for Linux will access it, but I doubt they'll work
> due
> > to a number of differences between PNW and NetWare itself. There are, I
> > believe, some SMB servers for DOS though - try looking for Microsoft or
> > IBM's server. http://www.samba.org/ ought to be a good place to start.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ben A L Jemmett.
> > (http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ben.jemmett/, http://www.deltasoft.com/)
>
>
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