Mail Archives: opendos/2000/10/29/11:45:53
Hi Ben,
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From: "Ben A L Jemmett" <ben DOT jemmett AT ukonline DOT co DOT uk>
To: <opendos AT delorie DOT com>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: Overclocking, Linux issues: was Re: About Micro$quash...
> > Bill Gates himself claims NT is UNIX
> Vaguely credible, sort of. NT is based on the VMS architecture and
contains
> some DOS-like bits (DOS borrowing from QDOS from CP/M from UNIX), and VMS
> and UNIX are sort of similar in terms of security model, AFAICT (having
not
> worked with VMS myself, I'm going on secondhand quotes here).
I worked at Intel through a contractor on their AMHS systems. They used both
UNIX SYSTEM V and VMS on their DEC computers. We also had IBM PCs interfaced
into the system using a VT emulator program under WFWG as well as VT
terminals. VMS and UNIX was very similar as far as securing files and
directories just like Linux. The neat thing I liked about VMS was that you
could just type in the first few unique characters of a command and execute
it without typing the whole command. Many commands were similar and/or the
same. Sometimes I did not even realize which OS I was using until I would
type something that did not work.
> > and all
> > other UNIX versions are incompatible clones
> By definition, a clone is a copy of something. Since NT wasn't around
until
> the early 90s, and UNIX was written in the 60s/70s, that somewhat
precludes
> that statement.
I read somewhere that Bell Labs released UNIX in 1976. Bell Labs developed
the UNIX operating system. I think what he was ealking about is ATT SYSTEM V
UNIX, SCO UNIX, MS XENIX, QNX and many other such UNIX like OSes. These are
not really clones as you stated but neither are IBM PC clones, but this is
the term generally used. Actually when you get down to it, the same is true
for the many different DOSes available for the IBM PC. They could all be
called clones of DOS. The only real difference between them are the kernels.
The same is true for so-called UNIX clones such as SCO, QNX, LINUX, BSD, and
XENIX to name just a few. In fact SCO (Santa Cruze Operating system) has
made changes in thier kernel to be able to run Linux apps and software. MS
is also converting their apps to run on Linux. Some MS programs for Linux
have been released. I have seen some articles on the internet about this but
don't recall which apps. I know that Office is one. I prefer Star Office
which is free for private use. SO is available for just about any OS. I have
downloaded version for Linux and 9x/NT. I have it currently installed on NT,
but don't use it's browser, mail, and other internet stuff because I keep
running into site utilities that require IE. I will probably switch to it's
mail program but need to read the DOCs for it first. SO has just about
everything including the kitchen sink: bowser, mail, ftp, word processor,
data base, spead sheet, and much more. You can convert the WP, DB, SS, files
to just about any kind you want and just about every version. i.e. WP files
can be converted to MS Word, Word Perfect, Word Star, PFS, and many others
and many versions of each. I have imported WP 6.1 files and converted them
to MS Word 6.0, 7.0 files and mailed them out in e-mail. It will even
convert the real old DOS versions!
BTW, Word Perfect 5.0 has been available free for UNIX for many years. That
is what I used at Intel for documants. Most UNIX distributions include it.
There were/are apps available for Linux and some were free. I have not
checked what Corel has done with it since they purchased it from Novell, but
have seen where they made the Word Perfect Suit available for Linux.
(Probably not free.) This may also include Quatro Pro which Novell purchased
from Borbaki and believe Corel also got that as well from Novell. Novell,
never did do much with them. Novell had the big idea of competing with MS
and was purching stuff left and right to build up one big system of apps and
OS to compete with MS. That was one of the reasons they bought DRI.
> > Anyone want to try for 32bit CPM? It is alive and well on the www.
> FlexOS is a concurrent CP/M based DOS for 32-bit machines, IIRC. Based on
> DOS Plus I think, which is why Caldera can't release DOS Plus under GPL.
I have heard about FlexOS many times but never checked it out. If someone
knows of a site for it. I will try and locate it through a search engine.
There is also a commercial multi-user, multi-processor DOS called SuperDOS.
I don't recall the name of the site but believe it is bluebird. You can try
www.bluebird.com and see what you get. It is expensive (something like $600
for 5 users.) This would be nice for commercial use. It has been around for
a long time. They have been adding to it for many years.
Here is a good one for you, since we are speaking of UNIX. Check out the QNX
WEB site and if they still have it, download their single floppy WEB browser
DEMO using QNX. The whole thing is on one 3-1/2 HD floppy and runs off the
floppy. You do not copy anything to the HDD. I tried it out a few years ago
and it worked really nice. All you do is boot it, then enter some
information about connecting to your ISP, then connect and you are on the
internet and can browse around. Neat little thing. Also, QNX was supposed to
have something included in their OS to run WINDOZE programs, but every time
I checked out their site, they were still working on it. It's been a couple
of years since I checked out their site. I believe the URL is
http://www.qnx.com QNX is a commercial UNIX like OS, however, don't say
that to them. Unless they have changed it a lot since I last used it back in
the 80's, it acts and looks like UNIX.
Pat
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