To:	opendos AT delorie DOT com
Date:	Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:49:35 -0700
Subject:	Re: PTS-DOS etc.
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From:	Robert W Moss <domanspc AT juno DOT com>
Reply-To:	opendos AT delorie DOT com

Personally, I like the x-windows idea.  If GEOS could do it back in 1987,

how come no-one except IBM and MS have done it since.  Gem was a 
good idea, but lack of icons gave it a clunky appearance and problably 
caused a lot of people to disregard it.  I never did like the blank
screen 
black w/white letters or blue w/white letters (better) or white w/black
letters 
and no control panel or drop down command windows.  

There are many people out there making icons and wallpaper for 
GEOS/New Deal and a lot of the stuff is freeware. The only problem was 
the restriction to low density screens. Now they have a 64bit version, 
which I have not yet installed, which may be interesting.  

Memorizing  700 different commands for DOS and every dos based program 
you use is actually pretty taxing on the grey cells and I find myself
having to 
refer to my 100+ volume library all the time when I enter the command I
think 
is right but doesn't do the job, even when there is a popup or dropdown
window 
available.  A lot of the DOS programs don't have a good help file and
never a 
HyperText  file to refer to.  This would be a requirement for a good DOS
environment.

The GEM Freeware site has a lot of stuff available but it is mostly left
at 
the same point Digital Research left it at when it was dropped.

Is it possible that there is someone out there who is quietly doing the
same 
for free/open DOS. 

Throw that in with multi-tasking and advanced memory management, 
ie. use of all memory up to 700+ megs, and we would be out there with 
Gnu-Linux.  That would make a lot of people happy, as they could install 
games and test programs and do word processing etc etc to their hearts 
content.  

Every little thing helps and makes DOS easier to use.  


On Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:33:39 +0200 "Florian Xaver" <dos DOT fire AT aon DOT at>
writes:
> Hi!
> 
> I found on an archive the beta (1995!!) from PTS-DOS 7.0. I 
> downloaded it
> and read the readme. This is very interesting (but I don't think 
> that they
> will do that :( ):
> 
> _________  We are going to make:
> - Virtual extended memory                                         // 
> very
> interesting (but not included in PTS 2000, I think)
> - Decrease required memory size to <2Mb
> - Accelerate disk operations by~40%
> - DPMI support                                                       
>      //
> like above
> - Windows support
> - Writing in HPFS, CHKDSK and FORMAT programs with HPFS
> - Built-in CD-ROM support
> 
> // I think they mean, that you can start it in config.sys with the 
> install
> command.
> 
> - Built-in mouse driver
> - Built-in disk compression utility
> - Built-in antivirus protection
> - Built-in network
> - COM-port buffering
> - 4DOS commands support in COMMAND.COM
> - UPS support                    // whats that?
> - Green functions            // whats that?
> 
> And for the future :)
> 
> - PTS-DOS 8.0: multitasking DOS in text mode, new features:
>    concurrent executing of DOS, Windows, OS/2 full screen
>    and DESQview applications
>    print spooler
>    Clipboard, common with Windows
>    NTFS and Windows 95 FAT support
>    Flash-RAM support
>    REXX command files support
>    OS/2 full screen tasks executing
> 
> - PTS-DOS 9.0 (PTS-Win 2000):  multitasking operating system with 
> graph
>   interface. New features:
>    TCP/IP support
>    graphic interface based on X Windows ¿ OSF/Motif standards
>    concurrent executing of DOS, DESQview, Windows, Windows 95,
>    OS/2 (full screen ¿ PM), BSD Unix programs.
> 
> 
> It would be interesting, if they continue developing now and which 
> features
> they will include (if they continue.) If FreeDOS would have this 
> features
> like PTS 8.0 I would be lucky :-))))))
> But maybe in the future...
> 
> 
> Another question:
> FreeDOS (the kernel) had also an IFS file. Did it include the FAT 
> system
> like PTS-DOS?
> If yes, why is it included into the kernel yet? It would be easier to
> include more file systems!!
> 
> At the end: I included the full readme file! It isn't a word file, 
> only
> plain text.
> 
> Bye, Florian
> 
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