Date:	Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:11:09 -0700
From:	Jim Stevenson <jims AT eos DOT arc DOT nasa DOT gov>
Message-Id:	<199808311811.LAA25080@eos.arc.nasa.gov>
To:	PAUL-MA AT reze-1 DOT rz DOT rwth-aachen DOT de, opendos AT delorie DOT com
Subject:	Re: difficulty reading with speech

I am giving an example of the type of post that makes it difficult for blind
readers who use speech to get to the new information, without listening to quotes
which they have heard often several times before. 
This is * not * an attack on anyone, but a constructive suggestion for all.



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My usual reply.



Those of us who read e-mail with speech want to get to the new information,
with as little time as possible waisted listening to quotes which we have 
already heard several times. 

A fall back strategy is to dump the speech buffer, go to the end of the post, 
and search back for the last > and listen from there.
When some people are so eager to include everything, that they put their 
new comments between the quoted stuff and the quoted tag lines and footers,
even this last resort is defeated.

I am not against all quoting,
but it is often much too long or entirely superfluous.

This is not a personal attack, but a constructive suggestion toward making 
the list easier reading  and more helpful to all.

Thanks much for your consideration.

If you quote me, please put your comments first.
I have already listened to my questions.

Thanks.





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example of difficult post to sort with speech.



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From: Matthias Paul <PAUL-MA AT reze-1 DOT rz DOT rwth-aachen DOT de>
Subject: Re: DR-Dos updates
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On Sat, 29 Aug 1998 Marc D . Williams wrote:

> Anyone try DRMOUSE yet? It won't work at all and keeps saying
> No Mouse Detected. Tried all the switches I could but no go.
DRMOUSE currently has some problems to detect a few mice 
(apparently some Logitech or Genius serial mice), however my 
Logitech 3-button PS/2 mouse is successfully detected by the 
driver and works OK.

> The page also mentions something about LFN with regards to command.com
> but as far as I know there still isn't any LFN support in this command.com.
The LFN support is provided by the installable LONGNAME driver, 
not by the command processor like COMMAND.COM. It could also 
be provided by another driver, like the VxD layer under Windows 95.
 
However, to work with long filenames the command processor also needs 
to use the new LFN API functions instead of the traditional function 
set. DR-DOS COMMAND.COM does that since DR-OpenDOS 7.02+, so does the 
DR-DOS 7.03 BETA COMMAND.COM, and so does for example 4DOS 6.00+. To 
provide long filenames the shell is not bound on LONGNAME; for 
example you can use DR-DOS' COMMAND.COM as a better shell replacement 
in a Windows 95 DOS-box, too.

Matthias

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