Mail Archives: opendos/1997/05/23/04:12:15
On Wed, 7 May 1997 yeep AT xs4all DOT nl wrote:
> > Sure a lot of good hearted Linux / Unix people are going to be using
> > OpenDOS at first, but I think part of the point is to appeal to a
> > larger audience.
>
> So?
> Why can't they try and learn case-sensitive filenames?
They're droolers.
> Anyways, we're trying to find ways in which we can make this optional.
Yes, for the droolers.
> If you donwload a file, which has capitals in it..I'm sure someone is
> bound to write a small programme, that'll translate the filename to
> lowercase, for all users who hate case-sensitivity.
Yes, but programs that have hard coded names such as
"ConfigurationFile" in mixed case won't work. Well, it might
possibly work if there was no file called "coNfIGurationFIle" as
well. This is an exaggeration, but it proves my point.
> > Case sensitivity just makes it that much harder to type things, and
> > simply gets annoying. I would hate to see my grandmother typing in
> > things on her 286 running OpenDOS and can't get something to work
> > because the file name is: IluvNANA.txt
Case sensitivity doesn't make anything harder at all. Do you
type english sentences in single case? Why type filenames like
that then?
(not you yeep)
> Yes, maybe, but that's where filename completion comes in.
> If I work in Linux and have a file called:
> "ThisIsmyfile.but.its.hardTOtype.itCOSitssoo.damn.long.tar.gz", I just
> type:
> "This" and hit the TAB.
Exactly.
> > If people do start messing around with a better file system,
> > it should remain as simple and easy to use...
>
> Well, in stead of telling us what NOT to do, you could send some idea's
> about how to implement case-sensitivity as an optional extra.
I doubt it.
> > longer file names? good (if more.com is part of the dir command)
dir /p (it's been part of the dir command since as long as I can
remember)
> I lost you there...
I think you probably did. ;o)
Perhaps we should keep these discussions on developer? It's
kindof like discussing Nuclear Physics on a windows mailing list
if you catch my meaning...
> > case sensitive display? maybe (if it doesn't matter what you type)
>
> We're working on it.
People are losing the true meaning of case sensitive. Case
sensitivity means that an 'A' is NOT an 'a' no matter what you
think. A file called "FileName" in a case sensitive FS means
that to access it for any reason (delete/view/copy/whatever) you
have to type "FileName" *PERIOD*. To search for that file, you
also have to type "FileName" *PERIOD*.
A filesystem like VFAT, stores case but doesn't use it for
anything other than displaying in a dir listing which is pretty
pointless and confusing IMHO. Create a file called "README",
then make a new one called "readme". Kiss "README" goodbye...
Retarded IYAM. I think FS's should be either as in UNIX with
case sensitivity, or else as in DOS with single case, but NOT as
in W95/NT/OS2 with this "stored case for no purpose".
However, some people do want these "stored case" filenames
regardless, so it has to be optionally created.
> > But there are problems with doing this, in that there are
> > a lot of DOS programs out there that will have fits as they
> > try to read file names... so until we get copies of
> > Professional Write for DOS with long file names.. it ain't
> > gonna matter much at all.
>
> Does VFAT ring a bell?
> Or NAME MANGLING?
Obviously not to the people against mixed case filenames.
> It might look liked I'm pissed off, but I'm not.
> I just had a rough day at work.
> I HATE Windows 95!!
> And I also HATE Plug and Play!!!
Kudos!
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