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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 09:05:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris A. Triebel" <cat AT sun4 DOT iol DOT unh DOT edu>
To: "Jonathan E. Brickman" <brickman AT cjnetworks DOT com>
Cc: opendos AT delorie DOT com
Subject: Re: X -- ugh
In-Reply-To: <199705151851.OAA03626@delorie.com>
Message-Id: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970516085632.11109A-100000@sun4.iol.unh.edu>
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I haven't had the chance to look at this document yet, but I will so that 
I could possibly argue my own case properly.  I would like to note that I 
would use X over win?? in any of its versions.  The reason is simple, it 
is not about efficiency.  It is two things, one I like the options.  I 
like that focus follows my mouse, and that everything else is not put on 
hold while working in one window, and that one a window has focus it 
doesn't have to be on top of the desktop in full view.  If I don't pull 
it forward I don't want it forward.  The other thing is the lack of 
clutter on my desktop.  It just throws up icons and windows.  NO MENU 
BARS.  If I want a menu I right click and that is fully configurable.
So that is my reason for choosing X over win95.  I wan't assure everyone 
out there, that this is MY CHOICE, not a logical or chest thumping 
explanation of why X is better than win95.  Although one advantage is 
that X is another program, not a part of the OS itself, and if they do 
make it so I will avoid that like the plague.  The only X that I have 
seen which is part of the OS ( or seems to be ) is IRIX on the SGI's.  

NOTE:  I hate fvwm-95 which is supposed to simulate the win95 enviroment 
in X, nasty looking creature.

Anyway, those are my comments.
cat

On Thu, 15 May 1997, Jonathan E. Brickman wrote:

> Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 13:42:03 -0500
> From: Jonathan E. Brickman <brickman AT cjnetworks DOT com>
> To: opendos AT delorie DOT com
> Subject: X -- ugh
> 
> > To all those thinking about X on OpenDOS, *PLEASE* go to
> > http://ecco.bsee.swin.edu.au/unix/uh/x-windows.html and read it ALL. If at
> > the end of this you're still in the mood to have X in OpenDOS, take 2
> > aspirins and go to bed. You can call in sick for work.
> 
> I agree with everything this document said, having tried
> most of it at least once.  In my opinion, one reason
> Unix is on the decline is the despicable nature
> of X-Windows.  I find it rather humorous that people
> who hate Windows and love Unix are even willing to
> say anything about X-Windows.  There are reasons
> few programs are ported from Windows to X, and
> most of those are in that document.
> 
> Frankly, if OpenDOS shipped with anything X, my first
> step in OD installation would be to delete X.  If
> it were an option, I'd skip it in every possible use
> for OD I've seen so far.  Somebody needs to come up
> with a replacement for X, and fast.  It needs to
> be constructed to be fairly easy to emulate Win32.
> X emulation would be good but not vital.  It needs
> to be well-written.  If somebody does it, I think
> Unix will rise again.  If not, I think better
> operating systems will replace it, eventually.
> In the long run, I don't think Microsoft can do it;
> but in the short run, they're making progress.
> 
> Jonathan E. Brickman         River City Computing, Inc.            (913) 232-6663
> http://www.cjnetworks.com/~rivercity                    brickman AT cjnetworks DOT com
> It seems to me that men usually think more about carburetors, and women
> think more about doors.  I think the world needs really good carburetors...and
> really good doors.

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