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Don't worry about alienating users, that process is ongoing for a long 
time. This is just another of the many useless threads that contribute 
to that process.
Don't mind me, I'm in the process of abandoning gEDA.
Before I go I would like to contribute a very small thought in the hope 
that the gEDA suite, I loved to use, will one day survive.

=======> Confusion is killing. <===========

1. a fork is a fork. Copy the code and start somewhere else, different 
list, server, wiki, names, the works. Make it clear it is a fork. If you 
don't want that see point 4.
2. developers, move to the geda-dev list. Don't confuse users with 
development issues. Any new user listening in on this list for a month 
will run for his/her life.
3. choose a direction and go! Not choosing is worse than choosing wrong.

4. AND WORK TOGETHER, COMPROMISE, YOU ARE NOT CHILDREN ANY MORE !! If 
you don't want to work together -> fork.

Anyway, good bye and all the best of luck.
Cheers, Robert.


On 14/02/17 05:22, Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via 
geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 10:47 PM, James Battat (jbattat AT wellesley DOT edu)
> [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>> FWIW, as a user and non-developer, having a name like geda-gschem or similar
>> is going to be very confusing for the new users that I assume you're trying
>> to attract.
>>
>> I'll also add, again as a user, that I made the commitment to try these
>> tools (gaf and pcb, now pcb-rnd too) and to stick with it for some time.
>> But the consistent negative tone of the conversations on this list is quite
>> disheartening, to the point where it's hard for me to envision recommending
>> the gschem+pcb path to colleagues.
> James has a REALLY important point here. Let the fork happen and quit
> arguing over which party renames their widget. It's just a rename,
> that can be changed at any time. The harm this mudslinging is causing
> to our shared cause of gEDA continuing.
>
> I would like to point out that for gEDA to be healthy we need new
> users and old ones. Adopting a CAD package (even a free one) is a bug
> time investment in libraries and designs. No one is going to take a
> chance on something if the people making it have this much vitriol
> over a name or who changes their widgets name.
>
> Just let it go. None of this is more important than loosing users.
> -Evan
>
>> James
>>
>>
>> On 2/13/17 5:02 PM, Peter TB Brett (peter AT peter-b DOT co DOT uk) [via
>> geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
>>>> On Feb 12, 2017 at 20:58 PM, Edward Hennessy wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 10:51 AM, Vladimir Zhbanov (vzhbanov AT gmail DOT
>>>>> com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 12:52:29PM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't mind, but obviously you'll have to name it something unique ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, of course. We're thinking about this.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know -- I can help with a logo. Many of my friends are
>>>> professional artists and graphic designers.
>>>
>>> I think we're definitely open to suggestions.  So far:
>>>
>>> - gedafork
>>> - pureeda
>>> - geda-gschem
>>> - gschem-ng
>>> - gscheme
>>> - geda-gscheme
>>> - xornless
>>>
>>> There is definitely scope for innovation in this area.
>>>
>>>                                        Peter
>>>
>> --
>> .oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.
>> Assistant Professor of Physics
>> Wellesley College
>> 781.283.3142 (office & lab)
>> jbattat AT wellesley DOT edu
>>
>
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