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Subject: Re: [geda-user] gnetlist chaos
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From: John Doty <jpd AT noqsi DOT com>
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Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 10:14:46 -0700
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On Feb 11, 2017, at 8:59 AM, Peter Clifton =
(petercjclifton AT googlemail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] =
<geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:

> Hi John,
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> On 11 February 2017 at 15:09, Roland Lutz <rlutz AT hedmen DOT org> wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Feb 2017, John Doty wrote:
> I wish Roland would not call his program gnetlist.
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> It is gnetlist.  Why call it by a different name?
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> The xorn netlist invocation is "gnetlist2". "gnetlist" is still the =
same, runs scheme back-ends etc.. (as usual).

Last I looked, it depended on which branch you were trying. Roland =
consistently calls it =93gnetlist=94, which injects unnecessary =
confusion.

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> It=92s based on a completely new foundation (=93xorn=94: don=92t ask =
me what that is or what it does, it=92s very murky to me).
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> Probably best to look at what it is before passing comment.

I have. I can=92t make sense of it. It seems to be a peculiar custom OO =
framework for a job that isn=92t naturally OO. It makes Roland very =
productive, and that=92s a good thing. However, as far as I can tell, =
nobody else understands it well enough to write a back end, unlike =
gnetlist proper.

> As I understand it, none of the existing gEDA code is actually =
impacted by this - it is a parallel tool.

I agree, and I think having it as a parallel tool is great. But calling =
it gnetlist is sowing confusion.

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> Peter

John Doty              Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.
http://www.noqsi.com/
jpd AT noqsi DOT com



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after-white-space;"><br><div><div>On Feb 11, 2017, at 8:59 AM, Peter =
Clifton (<a =
href=3D"mailto:petercjclifton AT googlemail DOT com">petercjclifton AT googlemail DOT co=
m</a>) [via <a =
href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>] &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi John,<br><br><div><div =
class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 11 February 2017 at =
15:09, Roland Lutz <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:rlutz AT hedmen DOT org" =
target=3D"_blank">rlutz AT hedmen DOT org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">On Sat, 11 Feb 2017, John Doty =
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I wish Roland would not call his program gnetlist.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></span>
It is gnetlist.&nbsp; Why call it by a different name?<span =
class=3D""><br></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div>The =
xorn netlist invocation is "gnetlist2". "gnetlist" is still the same, =
runs scheme back-ends etc.. (as =
usual).<br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Last I =
looked, it depended on which branch you were trying. Roland consistently =
calls it =93gnetlist=94, which injects unnecessary =
confusion.</div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
It=92s based on a completely new foundation (=93xorn=94: don=92t ask me =
what that is or what it does, it=92s very murky to me).<br>
</blockquote>
<br></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Probably best to look at =
what it is before passing =
comment.</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I =
have. I can=92t make sense of it. It seems to be a peculiar custom OO =
framework for a job that isn=92t naturally OO. It makes Roland very =
productive, and that=92s a good thing. However, as far as I can tell, =
nobody else understands it well enough to write a back end, unlike =
gnetlist proper.</div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div> As I understand it, none of the existing =
gEDA code is actually impacted by this - it is a parallel =
tool.<br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I =
agree, and I think having it as a parallel tool is great. But calling it =
gnetlist is sowing confusion.</div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>Peter<br></div></div></div></div=
></div>
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