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PCB is basically a kludge, on many levels, from GUI through logical 
organisation to integration with the rest of the tools etc etc etc.
It looks like a car that was assembled by random visitors of a used car 
market.
You don't need to specific opinion for this obvious observation.

GUI appearance is awful. It covers significant percentage of the screen 
with an poorly utilized area, so editing a PCB on my
1600x1200 monitor resembles loooking throgh a periscope.

It's alomost literally scotch-tapd together with guile etc.And user is 
supposed to know that s**t in order to use it -
how else to change track clearance or width ? On top of all that, all 
tools are grostesquely slow once schematic and board grow.

Can anyone see themselves doing densely packed 6-layer board 20x20cm ?

Many sorely needed options are missing and for whole lot of them user is 
expected to roll their sleeves and dig through PCB text file (?!?).

Even working with polygons was up until yesterday verging on unuseable 
even for DIY user. Now it's just impractical for all but simplest purposes.
It's expected for a PCB to be able to do good copper pour and remove 
isolated islands. here user is expcetd to draw holes manually, which until
today didn't even work without screwing the board.

These are just some tips of the iceberg, anything even approaching 
comprehensive list here would be way too long.

I like it since it has Tango's direct style of approach. Implementation, 
though, is loong due for rework from the ground up.

No amount of patching can save a leper.
But, with a good lipstick and strong deodorant we can maybe push it 
through next costume ball without people calling morgue...




On 27. 07. 2016 03:35, DJ Delorie wrote:
>> Specifically him. You are now the second person to chime in for no
>> reason disrupting the thread with *your* idea of what is wrong.
> I think the fact that we're harassing a user because he wants to help
> us and we don't want to listen, is a big part of the problem.
>
> Just because some of our users may be hostile doesn't mean we should
> treat all our users as hostile.  Even when trying to get users to do
> things they don't want to do, we must still strive to be polite and
> understanding.
>
>> Also please stop top posting.
> Top posting is allowed on these lists, please stop telling people how
> to send email.
>

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