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Subject: Re: [geda-user] A lesson from gnet-makefile
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From: John Doty <jpd AT noqsi DOT com>
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 11:41:33 -0600
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On Oct 14, 2015, at 7:54 AM, Svenn Are Bjerkem =
(svenn DOT bjerkem AT googlemail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] =
<geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:

>=20
> On 14 October 2015 at 15:41, John Doty <jpd AT noqsi DOT com> wrote:
> If we use the power of the architecture, we can make those changes =
without the hazard. We have a transparent file format and a powerful =
scripting facility. One source of this controversy is that many =
developers won=92t use Scheme. Fine, but then you can=92t responsibly =
work on improving gschem or gnetlist because everything not in Scheme =
takes away from the flexibility.
>=20
> I am wondering what this would mean to truly hierarchical schematics =
and netlist creation containing true buses/bundles of nets and pins with =
geda.

Those of us making truly hierarchical netlists for SPICE and Verilog use =
a separate gnetlist run for each module. But there=92s a missing tool. =
It=92s hard to automatically figure out what goes into a design: =
geda-gaf has its search rules, but their application is hidden. It would =
be really nice, for a variety of purposes, to have a tool that takes the =
top level schematics for a project and generates pathnames for all of =
the source files, partitioned according to their use in the hierarchy. =
This would be useful for a number of purposes including, but not limited =
to, hierarchical netlisting.

I should investigate whether the gaf utility could be used as a =
foundation for such a script.

John Doty              Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.
http://www.noqsi.com/
jpd AT noqsi DOT com



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after-white-space;"><br><div><div>On Oct 14, 2015, at 7:54 AM, Svenn Are =
Bjerkem (<a =
href=3D"mailto:svenn DOT bjerkem AT googlemail DOT com">svenn DOT bjerkem AT googlemail DOT com<=
/a>) [via <a =
href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>] &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On 14 October 2015 at 15:41, John Doty <span =
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jpd AT noqsi DOT com" =
target=3D"_blank">jpd AT noqsi DOT com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex">If we use the power of the architecture, we can =
make those changes without the hazard. We have a transparent file format =
and a powerful scripting facility. One source of this controversy is =
that many developers won=92t use Scheme. Fine, but then you can=92t =
responsibly work on improving gschem or gnetlist because everything not =
in Scheme takes away from the =
flexibility.</blockquote></div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">I am =
wondering what this would mean to truly hierarchical schematics and =
netlist creation containing true buses/bundles of nets and pins with =
geda.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div>Those of us =
making truly hierarchical netlists for SPICE and Verilog use a separate =
gnetlist run for each module. But there=92s a missing tool. It=92s hard =
to automatically figure out what goes into a design: geda-gaf has its =
search rules, but their application is hidden. It would be really nice, =
for a variety of purposes, to have a tool that takes the top level =
schematics for a project and generates pathnames for all of the source =
files, partitioned according to their use in the hierarchy. This would =
be useful for a number of purposes including, but not limited to, =
hierarchical netlisting.<div><br></div><div>I should investigate whether =
the gaf utility could be used as a foundation for such a =
script.<br><div><div><br><div><div apple-content-edited=3D"true">
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style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">John Doty<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-tab">&nbsp; &nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></span>Noqsi =
Aerospace, Ltd.</font></p><p style=3D"margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px =
0.0px"><a href=3D"http://www.noqsi.com/">http://www.noqsi.com/</a></p><p =
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size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica"><a =
href=3D"mailto:jpd AT noqsi DOT com">jpd AT noqsi DOT com</a></font></p><br =
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