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On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Svenn Are Bjerkem
(svenn DOT bjerkem AT googlemail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]
<geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>
> On 7 October 2015 at 16:21, <gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu> wrote:
>>
>> I am not against change, if it's driven by a real need. What I dislike is
>> changing the GUI [in an app] not because we want to change it, not because
>> we want to have a better GUI or want to exploit the new features, but
>> because the GUI has a newer version and the old version we use is simply
>> obsolete and will not be easily available in the near future.
>
>
> What you describe here happened to qucs when qt3 faded. The port to qt4 was
> not trivial and several people burned-out in the process. Qt4 didn't add
> significant features to me as an end user which couldn't have been solved
> with qt3. Now qt5 is supposed to be easier to port to from qt4, but so far
> qucs is not on qt5. Maybe it happens when qt4 fades.

We should really talk to the qucs people more. I feel like they get
forgotten in all of this (kicad/edacore) stuff.

>> I also find it unsustainable long term that GUI libs get more and more
>> complex potentially causing application developers to spend more and more
>> time on just keeping up with their changes. I know this is an unpopular
>> opinion, especially from end user's perspective.
>
>
> The end user who wants to get things done hardly complains about missing eye
> candy. Xemacs hasn't changed very much in GUI and neither has vim. Modelsim
> use Tcl/Tk for their GUI, and even if it is not translucent, I create
> mega-buck products with this archaic GUI. I can even script it with Tcl. And
> Tcl hasn't changed much in decades.

I think most people are ok with older UI stuff just as long as their
files work from one version to another and no workflows are
invalidated.

> Anyway, I am using openbox on LXDE so I basically miss all the GNOME and KDE
> fancy features. No big loss, they never made me productive same way windows
> never made me productive. But in the end the big question is: Who is
> supposed to be satisfied with an application?
>
> --
> Svenn



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