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--001a1133177c7a997704f56f33b6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Why this is not part of geda? 2014-03-17 18:02 GMT+04:00 =E1=CC=C5=CB=D3=C5=CA =E8=C1=D2=D8=CB=CF=D7=D3= =CB=C9=CA <svetonomer AT gmail DOT com>: > Thank you John. > > This is works even with ? characters :))) > > > 2014-03-17 6:20 GMT+04:00 John Doty <jpd AT noqsi DOT com>: > > >> On Mar 16, 2014, at 3:21 PM, =E1=CC=C5=CB=D3=C5=CA =E8=C1=D2=D8=CB=CF=D7= =D3=CB=C9=CA wrote: >> >> Hello all. >> I want to place to symbol single row model .subckt. >> >> Example of spice: >> >> .SUBCKT opamp 1 2 3 4 5 >> B1 5 0 V =3D V(3)<1e5*(V(1)-V(2)) ? V(3) : V(4)>1e5*(V(1)-V(2)) ? V(4) : >> 1e5*(V(1)-V(2)) >> .ends >> >> But I do not finded this in wiki. >> How I understand single row may be only .model >> refdes=3DU? >> model =3D .... >> model-name =3D name >> >> SUBCKT section adds by file mechanism: >> refdes=3DX? >> model-name =3D name >> file=3D/file >> >> Why? >> >> >> Because the way that the spice and spice-sdb back ends are implemented, >> things like this must be implemented as special cases in the code. There >> are an unlimited number of such cases, but only a few are actually >> implemented. If you want another, you have to modify the Scheme code. >> That's a major motivation for https://github.com/noqsi/gnet-spice-noqsi. >> >> In the spice-noqsi back end, you define how a symbol is to be represente= d >> in the SPICE netlist with a spice-prototype attribute. In this case >> (assuming your symbol has pinseq attributes in the correct order for the >> other back ends), you could use two multi-line attributes: >> >> spice-prototype=3DX? %pinseq opamp >> model@ >> >> model=3D.SUBCKT opamp 1 2 3 4 5 >> >> B1 5 0 V =3D V(3)<1e5*(V(1)-V(2)) ? V(3) : V(4)>1e5*(V(1)-V(2)) ? V(4) : >> 1e5*(V(1)-V(2)) >> .ends >> >> You can't put the model directly in the spice-prototype because it >> contains the "magic" character "?". I may consider a less crude quoting >> mechanism in the future. >> >> You can also use pin number to specify connections in any order if pinse= q >> isn't right: this gives you a way around the overloading of pinseq (also >> used for slotting). spice-noqsi can also imitate the way gnetlist native= ly >> handles hierarchy when flattening a netlist, allowing you to create >> hierarchical SPICE netlists representing circuits drawn for flat printed >> circuit designs. >> >> John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. >> >> http://www.noqsi.com/ >> >> jpd AT noqsi DOT com >> >> >> > --001a1133177c7a997704f56f33b6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">Why this is not part of geda?<br></div><div class=3D"gmail= _extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2014-03-17 18:02 GMT+04:00 =E1= =CC=C5=CB=D3=C5=CA =E8=C1=D2=D8=CB=CF=D7=D3=CB=C9=CA <span dir=3D"ltr"><= <a href=3D"mailto:svetonomer AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_blank">svetonomer AT gmail.= com</a>></span>:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Thank you John.<br><div><di= v><div><div><div style=3D"width:100%"><br></div></div> </div> </div>This is= works even with ? characters :)))<br> </div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2= 014-03-17 6:20 GMT+04:00 John Doty <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:= jpd AT noqsi DOT com" target=3D"_blank">jpd AT noqsi DOT com</a>></span>:<div><div cla= ss=3D"h5"> <br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-lef= t:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><br><div><div>On Mar 16, 2014= , at 3:21 PM, =E1=CC=C5=CB=D3=C5=CA =E8=C1=D2=D8=CB=CF=D7=D3=CB=C9=CA wrote= :</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Hello all.<= br></div>I want to place to symbol single row model .subckt.<br> </div><br>Example of spice:<br><div><br>.SUBCKT opamp 1 2 3 4 5<br>B1 5 0 V= =3D V(3)<1e5*(V(1)-V(2)) ? V(3) : V(4)>1e5*(V(1)-V(2)) ? V(4) : 1e5*= (V(1)-V(2))<br> .ends<br><br>But I do not finded this in wiki.<br></div><div>How I understa= nd single row may be only .model<br></div><div>refdes=3DU?<br>model =3D ...= .<br></div><div>model-name =3D name<br><br></div><div>SUBCKT section adds b= y file mechanism:<br> <div>refdes=3DX?<br></div><div>model-name =3D name<br></div><div>file=3D/fi= le<br></div><br></div><div>Why?<br></div><div><br></div></div> </blockquote></div><div><br></div></div></div>Because the way that the spic= e and spice-sdb back ends are implemented, things like this must be impleme= nted as special cases in the code. There are an unlimited number of such ca= ses, but only a few are actually implemented. If you want another, you have= to modify the Scheme code. That's a major motivation for=9A<a href=3D"= https://github.com/noqsi/gnet-spice-noqsi" target=3D"_blank">https://github= .com/noqsi/gnet-spice-noqsi</a>.<div> <br></div><div>In the spice-noqsi back end, you define how a symbol is to b= e represented in the SPICE netlist with a spice-prototype attribute. In thi= s case (assuming your symbol has pinseq attributes in the correct order for= the other back ends), you could use two multi-line attributes:</div> <div><br></div><div>spice-prototype=3DX? %pinseq opamp</div><div>model@</di= v><div><br></div><div>model=3D.SUBCKT opamp 1 2 3 4 5<div><br>B1 5 0 V =3D = V(3)<1e5*(V(1)-V(2)) ? V(3) : V(4)>1e5*(V(1)-V(2)) ? V(4) : 1e5*(V(1)= -V(2))<br> .ends</div></div><div><br></div><div>You can't put the model directly i= n the spice-prototype because it contains the "magic" character &= quot;?". I may consider a less crude quoting mechanism in the future.<= /div> <div><br></div><div>You can also use pin number to specify connections in a= ny order if pinseq isn't right: this gives you a way around the overloa= ding of pinseq (also used for slotting). spice-noqsi can also imitate the w= ay gnetlist natively handles hierarchy when flattening a netlist, allowing = you to create hierarchical SPICE netlists representing circuits drawn for f= lat printed circuit designs.</div> <div><br></div><div><div><div> <p style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0= px;font-size:12px"><font style=3D"font:12.0px Helvetica" face=3D"Helvetica"= size=3D"3">John Doty<span>=9A =9A =9A =9A =9A<span>=9A</span><span>=9A =9A= <span>=9A</span></span></span>Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.</font></p> <p style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0= px;font-size:12px"><a href=3D"http://www.noqsi.com/" target=3D"_blank">http= ://www.noqsi.com/</a></p><p style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin= -bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;font-size:12px"> <font style=3D"font:12.0px Helvetica" face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3"><a href= =3D"mailto:jpd AT noqsi DOT com" target=3D"_blank">jpd AT noqsi DOT com</a></font></p><sp= an style=3D"font-size:12px"><br></span> </div> <br></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><br></div> </blockquote></div><br></div> --001a1133177c7a997704f56f33b6--
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