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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 23:15:21 -0700
From: Joe Knapp <joeknapp AT keensupport DOT net>
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Subject: Re: [geda-user] Soldering problems
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I would like to add that water soluble flux can cause issues also. It
can be conductive. I have seen ~50K Ohms between pads on SMT devices due
to organic water soluble not being properly cleaned. This is a real
issue with small pitch LDOs or LDOs with power pads. This can affect the
set point of the adjustable LDO and cause un-desirable voltages.

Good luck,

Joe

On 07/16/2012 01:08 PM, Ed Simmons wrote:
> On 16/07/12 19:41, Rob Butts wrote:
>> Thanks Ed!
>>  
>> That is exactly what is happening.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Ed Simmons <ed AT estechnical DOT co DOT uk
>> <mailto:ed AT estechnical DOT co DOT uk>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>     We had this issue when using the damp sponge to clean the iron.
>>     Switching to a brass spiral cleaner helped keep the iron clean,
>>     and when it gets really dull and refuses to re-tin, use something
>>     like this:
>>     http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/soldering-iron-tips-accessories/0226287/
>>     - this brings up a good-as-new shine on the bit.
>>
>>     Hope that helps.
>>
>>     Ed
>>
>>
>
> No worries - please make sure you've got good fume extraction - it's
> nasty!
>
> Are you using no-clean flux? It's really difficult to deal with since
> most no-clean flux contains a plasticiser to halt any reaction from
> the small remaining amount of possibly active flux after it's been
> through a soldering cycle. This gets all over the bit of the iron and
> quenching the heat out of the bit with a sponge only makes it stick on
> harder. Reworking reflowed boards is such a pain (not to mention ugly
> and obvious) we're switching to water soluble fluxes so that we can
> actually clean it at the end. Such are the trials of short-run
> electronics. :-|
>
> If it spits while you feed the solder into the joints, the iron is
> probably a bit too hot, but this is hard to avoid without preheating
> the whole PCB until it's really toasty. On multilayer boards with pins
> connected to the ground-plane this is almost essential in order to be
> able to solder at anywhere near the correct temperature.



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    I would like to add that water soluble flux can cause issues also.
    It can be conductive. I have seen ~50K Ohms between pads on SMT
    devices due to organic water soluble not being properly cleaned.
    This is a real issue with small pitch LDOs or LDOs with power pads.
    This can affect the set point of the adjustable LDO and cause
    un-desirable voltages.<br>
    <br>
    Good luck,<br>
    <br>
    Joe<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/16/2012 01:08 PM, Ed Simmons
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote cite="mid:500474CA DOT 5020505 AT estechnical DOT co DOT uk"
      type="cite">
      <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16/07/12 19:41, Rob Butts wrote:<br>
      </div>
      <blockquote
cite="mid:CALSZ9gp5eTrMGWsU4fXJLJvjBX=kcTwSLNZBFd=FAveZJS8qeg AT mail DOT gmail DOT com"
        type="cite">
        <div>Thanks Ed!</div>
        <div>&nbsp;</div>
        <div>That is exactly what is happening.<br>
          <br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Ed
          Simmons <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:ed AT estechnical DOT co DOT uk" target="_blank">ed AT estechnical DOT co DOT uk</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"
            class="gmail_quote">
            <div class="HOEnZb">
              <div class="h5"><br>
              </div>
            </div>
            We had this issue when using the damp sponge to clean the
            iron. Switching to a brass spiral cleaner helped keep the
            iron clean, and when it gets really dull and refuses to
            re-tin, use something like this: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/soldering-iron-tips-accessories/0226287/"
              target="_blank">http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/soldering-iron-tips-accessories/0226287/</a>
            - this brings up a good-as-new shine on the bit.<br>
            <br>
            Hope that helps.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
                <br>
                Ed<br>
                <br>
              </font></span></blockquote>
        </div>
        <br>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
      No worries - please make sure you've got good fume extraction -
      it's nasty!<br>
      <br>
      Are you using no-clean flux? It's really difficult to deal with
      since most no-clean flux contains a plasticiser to halt any
      reaction from the small remaining amount of possibly active flux
      after it's been through a soldering cycle. This gets all over the
      bit of the iron and quenching the heat out of the bit with a
      sponge only makes it stick on harder. Reworking reflowed boards is
      such a pain (not to mention ugly and obvious) we're switching to
      water soluble fluxes so that we can actually clean it at the end.
      Such are the trials of short-run electronics. :-|<br>
      <br>
      If it spits while you feed the solder into the joints, the iron is
      probably a bit too hot, but this is hard to avoid without
      preheating the whole PCB until it's really toasty. On multilayer
      boards with pins connected to the ground-plane this is almost
      essential in order to be able to solder at anywhere near the
      correct temperature.<br>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
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