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Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 09:39:24 +0100
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Subject: Re: [geda-user] Help Identify MON Transistor??
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On 14/07/12 04:41, Edward Comer wrote:
> This is a bit off-topic - but - I am reverse engineering a circuit 
> board so that I can make a new PCB with some changes. There are two 
> surface mounted transistors in SOT23 configuration. One that is marked 
> "t04" and using a multimeter, it tests out as an NPN transistor and I 
> found some documentation that states that a "t04" is a PMBS3904 which 
> is equivalent to a 2N3904. However, the markings of the second 
> transistor are a mystery to me (It is marked "MON") and it does not 
> test out as an NPN or PNP transistor. I suspect that it may be a 
> MOSFET. Does anyone have any info on this transistor???

If it is a mosfet the gate should appear to behave like a small 
capacitor (WRT one of the other pins). Do you have a capacitance meter?

Package markings on small packages are sometimes completely unrelated to 
the ID of the part itself, ie batch/factory location/something else 
that's really not very helpful to you... My favourites are the parts 
with numbers sanded off...

Does the circuit still work? If so you could probably get a good idea of 
the function of the part with a little careful observation of the 
circuit in operation. Alternatively, have you ever come across a 
transistor curve tester? These show excellent traces on a scope of the 
behaviour of the UUT. I was trying to find you a link to a really simple 
curve tester project, unfortunately I can't find it. Sorry...

Many things about the PCB design around the part might give you clues as 
to it's type - some photos might mean we can help you better!

HTH,
Ed

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 14/07/12 04:41, Edward Comer wrote:<br>
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        <div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="3">This is
            a bit off-topic - but - I am reverse engineering a circuit
            board so that I can make a new PCB with some changes. There
            are two surface mounted transistors in&nbsp;</font><font
            face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">SOT23 configuration</font><span
            style="font-size: 12pt; ">. One that is marked "t04" and
            using a multimeter, it tests out as an&nbsp;<span
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                border-bottom-width: 2px; border-bottom-style: dotted;
                border-bottom-color: rgb(54, 99, 136); ">NPN transistor</span></span>&nbsp;and
            I found some documentation that states that a "t04" is a&nbsp;</span><font
            face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">PMBS3904 which is
            equivalent to a&nbsp;</font><font face="arial, helvetica,
            sans-serif">2N3904. However, the markings of the second
            transistor are a mystery to me (It is marked "MON") and it
            does not test out as an NPN or PNP transistor. I suspect
            that it may be a MOSFET. Does anyone have any info on this
            transistor???</font></div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    If it is a mosfet the gate should appear to behave like a small
    capacitor (WRT one of the other pins). Do you have a capacitance
    meter?<br>
    <br>
    Package markings on small packages are sometimes completely
    unrelated to the ID of the part itself, ie batch/factory
    location/something else that's really not very helpful to you... My
    favourites are the parts with numbers sanded off...<br>
    <br>
    Does the circuit still work? If so you could probably get a good
    idea of the function of the part with a little careful observation
    of the circuit in operation. Alternatively, have you ever come
    across a transistor curve tester? These show excellent traces on a
    scope of the behaviour of the UUT. I was trying to find you a link
    to a really simple curve tester project, unfortunately I can't find
    it. Sorry...<br>
    <br>
    Many things about the PCB design around the part might give you
    clues as to it's type - some photos might mean we can help you
    better!<br>
    <br>
    HTH,<br>
    Ed<br>
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