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From: "Dave McGuire (mcguire AT neurotica DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-user AT delorie DOT com>
Subject: Re: [geda-user] is geda dead yet?
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On 10/9/23 23:35, DJ Delorie wrote:
> No significant commits in years.
> 
> No releases in years.
> 
> Subprojects moving away, or forking.
> 
> Mailing lists are oddly quiet.
> 
> Risks are arising about dependencies on obsolete toolkits.
> 
> Nobody seems interested in maintaining it any more.
> 
> I'm contemplating pulling the plug on the 12 year old server and
> calling it a day.
> 
> Anyone want to argue otherwise?  ;-)
> 
> (and if you do, you'll likely end up owning it ;)

   I'm a long-time user and lover of geda and PCB; I've designed 
hundreds of boards with it over the past 20+ years, both commercially 
and for personal projects.  Geda and PCB are very good programs, capable 
of real production-quality results, i.e. not some hobbyist toy.  And 
since it's not subject to corporate whim and doesn't involve any Windows 
BS, it's safe for the long term.

   But, I have to admit with no small amount of shame, that I moved to 
KiCad about two years ago.  I've designed about 35 boards with it, and 
it has been great.  I feel shame because geda/PCB has been developed by 
people whom I consider to be friends, and for whom I have great respect, 
and honestly, I still love the software.  I don't like to abandon things 
(or people) that have been good to me.

   I moved to KiCad due to the great tool integration, excellent 
libraries, and excellent feature set.  The pace of development is rapid. 
  KiCad was a hobbyist toy, I mean seriously it was a real pile of crap, 
just a few short years ago.  Now it's absolutely fantastic.  CERN 
throwing its money and developers behind KiCad a few years ago really 
turned it around.  It's a shame they didn't adopt geda/PCB instead.  I 
always wondered about that.

   I still need to keep geda and PCB running in order to access old 
designs.  Sometimes a client will contact me years later and request a 
variation of an existing design.  There's no practical way (none that 
I've found anyway) to import geda's schematics or PCB's board layouts 
into KiCad, so I just hope I can keep things running.

   Between work and running the museum (LSSM), both of which are 
full-time jobs, I'm just too busy to take on a code maintenance project, 
as much as I'd like to, and as much as I feel geda/PCB deserve my 
support in that form.  What I can offer, though, is permanent server 
space for any and all list archives, sources, binaries, etc etc, if that 
is ever needed.  The network I run has been around for a very long time 
(it predates both Google and Yahoo by many years) and is stable.

   I do hope someone picks up the long-term maintenance of this code. 
It's important.

   Thank you to all who have worked on this over the years.

             With respect,
              -Dave McGuire

-- 
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA

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