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| From: | "Alex Natalsson (svetonomer AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-user AT delorie DOT com>
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| Date: | Wed, 11 Oct 2023 12:22:27 +0300
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| Subject: | Re: [geda-user] is geda dead yet?
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I used this and it worked well. This year it stopped working and I started
using lepton along with pcb. While it's working)
Many people wants modeling. I think there is not enough gtk-modeling
solves. Ngspice is a good program, but it is much inferior to others, such
as LTSpice. LtSpice is free, but it is only for Windows. On x86_64 it can
be run under Wine. I use aarch64, so LTSpice doesn't work for me.
I think we need to take steps in this direction)
=D1=81=D1=80, 11 =D0=BE=D0=BA=D1=82. 2023=E2=80=AF=D0=B3. =D0=B2 11:05, Sco=
tt Pitcher (
scotty AT svptechnicalservices DOT com DOT au) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <
geda-user AT delorie DOT com>:
> I can't speak for it's auto router, but I picked up pcb-rnd last year to
> start and complete a 12 PCB design. This is a new model of a BMS
> interface we did a couple of years ago, but in a "shorter" Italtronic
> DIN rail case. I chose pcb-rnd because of the 3D modelling capability
> which was essential in this design. I needed to know where every nut and
> bolt went and spent quite some time with FreeCAD and an assembly
> checking the clearances. There was a learning curve, but by the end I
> was modelling my own parametric footprints in Tcl which plug directly
> into pcb-rnd's library, and those precisely according to the data sheets
> both footprint and OpenSCAD models. I really would never have got the
> design finished without pcb-rnd, OpenSCAD and FreeCAD. We did what once
> would have been many many $Ks of work in this little workshop-office out
> the back of my place, on this average PC. Come December when the boards
> started to arrive from the factory - it all went together. Aside from a
> couple of tracks I'd swapped one one board and some other small errors I
> made like rotated tantalum caps. The CPU board was 3 layer and the Main
> board also and the rest are 2 layer. I'm happy send some snap shots if
> anyone wants to have a look.
>
> Just my $0.02 worth.
>
> Kind regards,
> Scott
>
>
> On 11/10/23 17:47, conover AT panix DOT com (John Conover) [via
> geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
> > Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] writes:
> >> Many of the deficiencies in the data model and capabilities of gEDA
> >> PCB have been addressed in pcb-rnd, for example:
> > .
> > .
> > .
> >> - seamless external autorouter support, using either standalone
> >> freerouting or freerouting-cli, plus infrastructure for other routers,
> >>
> > The routing capability of pcb-rnd is very poor, (never mind
> > autoplace.) Simple circuits, (as few as 3 simple components,) fail to
> > complete and require manual intervention. (It is a ComputerVision
> > polygon pusher clone from the 1970's.)
> >
> > I hope pcb(1) is not one of the programs that is going to become
> > abandon ware. Its a fairly good router, and doesn't cost $100K per
> > seat and $7K a month maintenance like the Cadence tool chain.
> >
> > John
> >
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I used this and it worked well. This year it stopped worki=
ng and I started using lepton along with pcb. While it's working)<br>Ma=
ny people wants modeling. I think there is not enough gtk-modeling solves. =
Ngspice is a good program, but it is much inferior to others, such as LTSpi=
ce. LtSpice is free, but it is only for Windows. On x86_64 it can be run un=
der Wine. I use aarch64, so LTSpice doesn't work for me.<br>I think we =
need to take steps in this direction)</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><=
div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">=D1=81=D1=80, 11 =D0=BE=D0=BA=D1=82. 2=
023=E2=80=AF=D0=B3. =D0=B2 11:05, Scott Pitcher (<a href=3D"mailto:scotty AT s=
vptechnicalservices.com.au">scotty AT svptechnicalservices DOT com DOT au</a>) [via <a=
href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>>:<br></div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border=
-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I can't speak for it=
's auto router, but I picked up pcb-rnd last year to <br>
start and complete a 12 PCB design. This is a new model of a BMS <br>
interface we did a couple of years ago, but in a "shorter" Italtr=
onic <br>
DIN rail case. I chose pcb-rnd because of the 3D modelling capability <br>
which was essential in this design. I needed to know where every nut and <b=
r>
bolt went and spent quite some time with FreeCAD and an assembly <br>
checking the clearances. There was a learning curve, but by the end I <br>
was modelling my own parametric footprints in Tcl which plug directly <br>
into pcb-rnd's library, and those precisely according to the data sheet=
s <br>
both footprint and OpenSCAD models. I really would never have got the <br>
design finished without pcb-rnd, OpenSCAD and FreeCAD. We did what once <br=
>
would have been many many $Ks of work in this little workshop-office out <b=
r>
the back of my place, on this average PC. Come December when the boards <br=
>
started to arrive from the factory - it all went together. Aside from a <br=
>
couple of tracks I'd swapped one one board and some other small errors =
I <br>
made like rotated tantalum caps. The CPU board was 3 layer and the Main <br=
>
board also and the rest are 2 layer. I'm happy send some snap shots if =
<br>
anyone wants to have a look.<br>
<br>
Just my $0.02 worth.<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
Scott<br>
<br>
<br>
On 11/10/23 17:47, <a href=3D"mailto:conover AT panix DOT com" target=3D"_blank">c=
onover AT panix DOT com</a> (John Conover) [via <br>
<a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-user AT delori=
e.com</a>] wrote:<br>
> Erich Heinzle (<a href=3D"mailto:a1039181 AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_blank"=
>a1039181 AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>] writes:<br>
>> Many of the deficiencies in the data model and capabilities of gED=
A<br>
>> PCB have been addressed in pcb-rnd, for example:<br>
> .<br>
> .<br>
> .<br>
>> - seamless external autorouter support, using either standalone<br=
>
>> freerouting or freerouting-cli, plus infrastructure for other rout=
ers,<br>
>><br>
> The routing capability of pcb-rnd is very poor, (never mind<br>
> autoplace.) Simple circuits, (as few as 3 simple components,) fail to<=
br>
> complete and require manual intervention. (It is a ComputerVision<br>
> polygon pusher clone from the 1970's.)<br>
><br>
> I hope pcb(1) is not one of the programs that is going to become<br>
> abandon ware. Its a fairly good router, and doesn't cost $100K per=
<br>
> seat and $7K a month maintenance like the Cadence tool chain.<br>
><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 John<br>
><br>
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