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> On Jul 8, 2021, at 4:29 PM, Peter Stuge (peter AT stuge DOT se) [via =
geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
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> John Doty wrote:
>> Has anybody but you mastered Xorn?
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> I believe more people know Python than scheme; there's significantly
> more gEDA potential with xorn.
Have *you* mastered Xorn?
Personally, I=E2=80=99m reasonably familiar with Python, but I found =
Xorn impenetrable. That=E2=80=99s why I now use Lepton. Roland is =
impressively productive with Xorn, but I can=E2=80=99t figure out how to =
do my custom stuff with it.
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> Python is also far more widespread than Guile.
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> I think the most significant argument for Python is that KiCad also
> exposes its data model in Python; that's a clear path to more shared
> effort and simpler portability/convertability of user data.
That=E2=80=99s your theory. "In theory, theory and practice are the =
same. In practice, they are different.=E2=80=9D
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> That nearly the whole world is now afraid to use Python2 is, well,
> unfortunate, but not an insurmountable problem.
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>> The fact that the original scheme backends were the product of =
multiple
>> authors is telling.
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> Are there many enough data points to actually tell anything at all?
I count 11 authors explicitly credited in the Lepton netlist back ends. =
I know I=E2=80=99d find several more if I plowed through the ChangeLog. =
That=E2=80=99s a fair number of data points.
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> I guess no in gEDA/lepton, for both Python and scheme.
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> //Peter
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John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.
jpd AT noqsi DOT com
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class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jul 8, 2021, at 4:29 PM, Peter Stuge (<a =
href=3D"mailto:peter AT stuge DOT se" class=3D"">peter AT stuge DOT se</a>) [via <a =
href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com" =
class=3D"">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a =
href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com" =
class=3D"">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">John =
Doty wrote:<br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">Has =
anybody but you mastered Xorn?<br class=3D""></blockquote><br class=3D"">I=
believe more people know Python than scheme; there's significantly<br =
class=3D"">more gEDA potential with xorn.<br =
class=3D""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=3D""></div>Have *you* =
mastered Xorn?<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""></div>Personally, I=E2=80=
=99m reasonably familiar with Python, but I found Xorn impenetrable. =
That=E2=80=99s why I now use Lepton. Roland is impressively productive =
with Xorn, but I can=E2=80=99t figure out how to do my custom stuff with =
it.</div><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D"">Python is also far more =
widespread than Guile.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I think the most =
significant argument for Python is that KiCad also<br class=3D"">exposes =
its data model in Python; that's a clear path to more shared<br =
class=3D"">effort and simpler portability/convertability of user =
data.<br class=3D""></div></div></blockquote><div><br =
class=3D""></div>That=E2=80=99s your theory. "In theory, theory and =
practice are the same. In practice, they are different.=E2=80=9D</div><div=
><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">That nearly the whole world is now afraid to =
use Python2 is, well,<br class=3D"">unfortunate, but not an =
insurmountable problem.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">The fact that the =
original scheme backends were the product of multiple<br =
class=3D"">authors is telling.<br class=3D""></blockquote><br =
class=3D"">Are there many enough data points to actually tell anything =
at all?<br class=3D""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=3D""></div>I=
count 11 authors explicitly credited in the Lepton netlist back ends. I =
know I=E2=80=99d find several more if I plowed through the ChangeLog. =
That=E2=80=99s a fair number of data points.</div><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">I guess no in gEDA/lepton, for both Python and =
scheme.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">//Peter<br =
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