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From:	"Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-user AT delorie DOT com>
Date:	Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:14:34 +1030
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Subject:	Re: [geda-user] No https for pcb-rnd
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Indeed, if you don't trust the package maintainers and package submission
process for your distribution, and don't trust other installed software
like a browser from a 3rd party source, then https is irrelevant, since
your browser or local ssh libs can be compromised to perform MITM attacks,
and if you build from source, you need to trust your compiler... but how do
you build that from source....

regards,

Erich








On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:03 Larry Doolittle (ldoolitt AT recycle DOT lbl DOT gov) [via
geda-user AT delorie DOT com], <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:

> Erich -
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 08:57:30AM +1030, Erich Heinzle (
> a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
> > If you install pcb-rnd from a distribution, i.e. using a set of .deb
> files,
> > you are protected by the checksums and security packages the distribution
> > uses for its package distribution.
>
> Sure, but where does the _distribution_ get its source?
>
> I'm not a personally fan of mandating https, for some of the reasons
> alredy mentioned on this thread.
> Its illusion of security is stronger than its actual contribution to
> security.
> Authentication and supply chains are a pretty big deal in general these
> days.
> See SolarWinds, reproducible-builds.org, and bootstrappable.org.
>
>   - Larry
>

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<div dir=3D"auto"><div>Indeed, if you don&#39;t trust the package maintaine=
rs and package submission process for your distribution, and don&#39;t trus=
t other installed software like a browser from a 3rd party source, then htt=
ps is irrelevant, since your browser or local ssh libs can be compromised t=
o perform MITM attacks, and if you build from source, you need to trust you=
r compiler... but how do you build that from source....</div><div dir=3D"au=
to"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">regards,</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><=
div dir=3D"auto">Erich</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><=
br><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br><div dir=3D"auto"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div></div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote" =
dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:0=
3 Larry Doolittle (<a href=3D"mailto:ldoolitt AT recycle DOT lbl DOT gov">ldoolitt AT rec=
ycle.lbl.gov</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com">geda-user AT d=
elorie.com</a>], &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com">geda-user AT del=
orie.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Erich -<br>
<br>
On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 08:57:30AM +1030, Erich Heinzle (<a href=3D"mailto:=
a1039181 AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">a1039181 AT gmail DOT com=
</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>] wrote:<br>
&gt; If you install pcb-rnd from a distribution, i.e. using a set of .deb f=
iles,<br>
&gt; you are protected by the checksums and security packages the distribut=
ion<br>
&gt; uses for its package distribution.<br>
<br>
Sure, but where does the _distribution_ get its source?<br>
<br>
I&#39;m not a personally fan of mandating https, for some of the reasons al=
redy mentioned on this thread.<br>
Its illusion of security is stronger than its actual contribution to securi=
ty.<br>
Authentication and supply chains are a pretty big deal in general these day=
s.<br>
See SolarWinds, <a href=3D"http://reproducible-builds.org" rel=3D"noreferre=
r noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">reproducible-builds.org</a>, and <a href=3D=
"http://bootstrappable.org" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank"=
>bootstrappable.org</a>.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 - Larry<br>
</blockquote></div></div></div>

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