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> On Jul 20, 2017, at 1:01 PM, Bert Timmerman (bert DOT timmerman AT xs4all DOT nl) =
[via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
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> John Doty wrote:
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>>> On Jul 20, 2017, at 10:54 AM, John Griessen (john AT ecosensory DOT com =
<mailto:john AT ecosensory DOT com>) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com =
<mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com>] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com =
<mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com>> wrote:
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>>> xschem:
>>> VHDL / Verilog / Spice netlist, ready for simulation
>>> Behavioral VHDL / Verilog code can be embedded as one of the =
properties of the schematic block
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>>> These xschem abilities will be good goals to include in cschem.
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>> We already have these for SPICE in gEDA and Lepton if you use the =
gnet-spice-noqsi back end (https://github.com/noqsi/gnet-spice-noqsi) =
for gnetlist. I believe both Lepton and Roland=E2=80=99s gnetlist =
replacement now give the back end writer enough support to do Verilog =
and VHDL right. So, we don=E2=80=99t need a new tool, just a couple of =
new back ends.
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>> John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.
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>> http://www.noqsi.com/
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>> jpd AT noqsi DOT com <mailto:jpd AT noqsi DOT com>
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> Hi John,
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> I'm afraid you do not comprehend ... this is going to happen ... =
whatever arguments exist or comes up ... IIRC, the decision has =
(probably) been made over a year ago ;-)
Please don=E2=80=99t pretend that we don=E2=80=99t already have a good =
part of the capability you want. Lepton, in particular, is dedicated to =
extending the configurability of the tools. It only takes a few lines of =
Scheme to do some pretty useful things. Usually, the hard part is =
figuring out what you *really* need, not coding.
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> Get used to more choices for users ;-)
And get used to continuing development of the gEDA-gaf paradigm that has =
been so constructive for years.
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> Kind regards,
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> Bert Timmerman.
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> @Igor2: go for it ;-)
@Igor2: a PCB program with a real physical model of the board interests =
me more. Go for that, as I think you=E2=80=99re doing. Lepton will be =
able to feed it.
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John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.
http://www.noqsi.com/
jpd AT noqsi DOT com
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class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jul 20, 2017, at 1:01 PM, Bert Timmerman (<a =
href=3D"mailto:bert DOT timmerman AT xs4all DOT nl" =
class=3D"">bert DOT timmerman AT xs4all DOT nl</a>) [via <a =
href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com" =
class=3D"">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a =
href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com" =
class=3D"">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">John =
Doty wrote:<br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On Jul 20, 2017, at =
10:54 AM, John Griessen (<a href=3D"mailto:john AT ecosensory DOT com" =
class=3D"">john AT ecosensory DOT com</a> <<a =
href=3D"mailto:john AT ecosensory DOT com" =
class=3D"">mailto:john AT ecosensory DOT com</a>>) [via <a =
href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com" class=3D"">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>=
<<a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com" =
class=3D"">mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>>] <<a =
href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com" class=3D"">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>=
<<a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com" =
class=3D"">mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>>> wrote:<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">xschem:<br class=3D"">VHDL / Verilog / Spice =
netlist, ready for simulation<br class=3D"">Behavioral VHDL / Verilog =
code can be embedded as one of the properties of the schematic block<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">These xschem abilities will be =
good goals to include in cschem.<br class=3D""></blockquote><br =
class=3D"">We already have these for SPICE in gEDA and Lepton if you use =
the gnet-spice-noqsi back end (<a =
href=3D"https://github.com/noqsi/gnet-spice-noqsi" =
class=3D"">https://github.com/noqsi/gnet-spice-noqsi</a>) for gnetlist. =
I believe both Lepton and Roland=E2=80=99s gnetlist replacement now give =
the back end writer enough support to do Verilog and VHDL right. So, we =
don=E2=80=99t need a new tool, just a couple of new back ends.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><a href=3D"http://www.noqsi.com/" =
class=3D"">http://www.noqsi.com/</a><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">jpd AT noqsi DOT com <mailto:jpd AT noqsi DOT com><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""></blockquote>Hi John,<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">I'm afraid you do not comprehend ... this is =
going to happen ... whatever arguments exist or comes up ... IIRC, the =
decision has (probably) been made over a year ago ;-)<br =
class=3D""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=3D""></div>Please =
don=E2=80=99t pretend that we don=E2=80=99t already have a good part of =
the capability you want. Lepton, in particular, is dedicated to =
extending the configurability of the tools. It only takes a few lines of =
Scheme to do some pretty useful things. Usually, the hard part is =
figuring out what you *really* need, not coding.</div><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D"">Get used to more choices for =
users ;-)<br class=3D""></div></div></blockquote><div><br =
class=3D""></div>And get used to continuing development of the gEDA-gaf =
paradigm that has been so constructive for years.</div><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Kind regards,<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Bert =
Timmerman.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">@Igor2: go for it ;-)<br =
class=3D""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=3D""></div>@Igor2: a =
PCB program with a real physical model of the board interests me more. =
Go for that, as I think you=E2=80=99re doing. Lepton will be able to =
feed it.</div><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
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