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On 2/14/17 10:29 AM, myken wrote:
> On 14/02/17 15:47, John Doty wrote:
>> The problem is that there’s no clear line here. gEDA isn’t consumer 
>> software. Many users who are not core developers are contributors, 
>> especially at gedasymbols.org. If you expect to be a consumer of some 
>> integrated thing, gEDA isn’t for you anyway.
> Sure, but no new user is a contributor at the beginning of his/her 
> interest. They are just looking for confirmation that it is safe to 
> invest time into the suite. And believe me listing in on the geda-user 
> list will not give you that confirmation. And as a contributor you may 
> also not be interested in the development stuff. geda-users, 
> geda-contrib, geda-develp, geda-rant.
>
> But then again make a choice. If you all want gEDA to be a obscure 
> specialised tool only accessible by the die-hards and core uses, 
> please do so. Nothing needs to change then :-) 
+1.

And I'll add that I really don't understand why some folks on this list 
take on the attitude reflected in John D.'s comment:
   "If you expect to be a consumer of some integrated thing, gEDA isn’t 
for you anyway."
1) why does a user have to become a developer?  Surely you'd get 
satisfaction if the tools that you have invested so much time in are 
useful to other people as-is.
2) how do you expect to attract and retain users or developers with this 
stance?

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