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On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 1:02 AM, Roland Lutz <rlutz AT hedmen DOT org> wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Feb 2017, gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu wrote:
>>
>> just watched your 2016 FOSDEM talk - funny thing is that we are actually
>> doing a lot of things in pcb-rnd that you were talking about in that
>> presentation about how EDA tools should cooperate. I'd say there's a 3/4
>> match and only 1/4 mismatch (or disagreement) between what we are
>> practically doing and what you described there.
>
>
> Yeah, I noticed that, too.  I think that if all people in the project
> spelled out their intentions in a high-level way, we would find that they
> aren't very different at all.
>
> The problem is that we waste a lot of time and energy on bike shed issues.
> When people see that someone addressed an issue which they themselves want
> solved, too, but they would've solved them in another way, then they're
> trying to make that solution go away, either by ignoring it or, if that
> doesn't work, by attacking it.
>
> Take for example the experimental branch I posted some time ago which
> implements some netlister features which have been on the wishlist for quite
> some time: working buses, parametric subschematics, and customizable power
> symbols without a trailing ":1".  For every one of these features, people
> have criticized me for not implementing it their own way: for buses,
> everyone had their own idea about numbering pins, someone preferred to use
> simple net objects instead of buses, and someone didn't like the idea of
> working buses at all.  For parametric subschematics, we disagreed about
> which parameter name and separator character to use.  And even about the
> trailing ":1", which I had expected to be really non-controversial, there
> has been an argument yesterday.
>
> So I basically have the options to either merge my patches even though there
> are people opposing them, or to not merge them and not have the features in
> gEDA/gaf.

Not that it matters, but I vote for merging them.  I've pretty much
given up on contributing to pcb in part because the effective
resistance to merge is so high.  Even with pretty exhaustive test
cases mainly bug-fix stuff that I've spent quite a bit of time on
never makes it in.  I'm not saying it's all intentional hostility that
causes this, but whatever the reason the contrast with pcb-rnd is
painfully clear (maybe only because pcb-rnd is still largely a one-man
show, I don't know).

Britton

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