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Date: | Sun, 12 Feb 2017 13:38:10 +0300 |
From: | "Vladimir Zhbanov (vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> |
To: | "Vladimir Zhbanov (vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> |
Subject: | Re: the ecosystem (was: Re: [geda-user] gnetlist chaos) |
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On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 11:04:32AM +0100, gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu wrote: > > > On Sun, 12 Feb 2017, Vladimir Zhbanov (vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > > >cleaner, though stopped due to having no support for this in > >mainline pcb > > Disclaimer: > > I am honestly not trolling here, just sharing my experience. I am absolutely > not trying to say what you should do in your branch or in general. What I > say is not even specific to this case, it's really just a generic > consideration that I genuinely think could be useful to consider. > > Facts: > > We've been working on import/export of random external autorouters, > schematics editors, simulatros and tools in pcb-rnd lately. Some of these > external tools are small, some are big. Some free, some proprietary. A > common pattern tho is that we can build a working first version of such a > bridge in a few hours or at most in a few days. They are cheap. Even all of > them together seem to be cheap. > > Personal opinions: > > I believe the future of gEDA (and generally anything non-KiCad on the free > EDA tool scene) is not some centralized effort, not some official big pack, > not an official all-in-one distribution. I think the future is building > random bridges between random tools, without caring whether a given bridge > would be also a bridge to all other similar tools or not. If we have a > critical mass of such bridges, a random collection of the tools start to > form an useful suite. If we don't, users will switch to KiCad or Altium, > etc., because "That Just Works (tm)". > > What I say is clearly duplication of effort and code - waste of time short > term. On the other hand, we either get a suboptimal but working solution in > t=tomorrow, or we wait for some magic "everyone uses this common > protocol/file format/API/lib/mechanism" and have the first solution to offer > in t=infinite. (I strongly believe users won't wait till t=infinite.) Agreed. I think one of the biggest gEDA weaknesses is that people tried to support all anyhow rather than support a small set of things well. For example, in my branch, I've fixed some gnetlist back-ends, and found many others were non-working (if at all) for years. This is not unix way and this just don't work properly. Especially with lacking man-power and having such contradictions in views amongst the devs. > > I don't say anyone should do anything this or that way. I only say we, at > pcb-rnd, do build those bridges. If anyone wants to join this decentralized > effort, from schematics side, simulation side, autorouter side, > "competing"/"alternative" PCB layout tool side, we welcome them. > > Regards, > > Igor2 > > -- Vladimir
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