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Subject:	Re: [geda-user] feedback on the new gschem, the panes in particular
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Date:	Sun, 9 Oct 2016 22:04:35 -0700
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> On Oct 9, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Britton Kerin (britton DOT kerin AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
> 
> like others I have some difficulty with the new panes:
> 
> * It's not clear why things like Line Properties and Fill Properties
> have such prominence as to be shown by default and perpetually visible
> when pulling up a schematic.  For symbol editing perhaps yes but in
> schematic editing where many users spend most of their time no

The goal is to have all dialogs docked, but I don’t have the bandwidth to implement the rest of the docking right now. I’m also in a bit of a holding pattern to see what happens with Xorn.

When using gschem, the next two that I wish were docked are the page manager and the component selector.

Automatically closing the sidebar is possible, but will resize the schematic window and cause a zoom. The sidebar can be manually hidden with the keyboard shortcut V A. Currently, the sidebar will automatically open when needed.

> * On the Text tab: it looks like that is how editing text works, which
> is potentially fine, docs are probably better than windows for this
> sort of thing.  But I don't want that pane taking up space otherwise
> so it needs to be able to pop out on demand
> 
> * I can't tell what Find Text tab is doing.  It doesn't seem to find
> either text descriptions or refdes.  It needs tooltips or something

This window shows the results of a text search, but not the search entry. To get the search entry, use Attributes->Find Specific Text… You can also use the keyboard shortcut T Shift-F.

Added functionality includes searching for both globs and regular expressions.

> * Search needs a keyboard shortcut.  The measure of whether you've
> implemented search right is if users start using it for navigation
> instead of eyeballs and scrolling.  If they do it's a huge win,
> otherwise it's just burning screen space.  Using tab to get to the
> search window focus is insufficient, because especially with the other
> side pane there are too many focus targets to go through, and gtk does
> a terrible job of showing which one has the focus (on my system at
> least).  It would be awesome if / started a search over refdes and
> text that gave some kind of feedback as the search narrowed.  Failing
> that just a focus change to encompass matching objects on return,
> select the objects and maybe put the number of matches in that status
> bar, and it would be useful.

The keyboard shortcuts don’t even show on my system.

> All in all the new panes seem like good concepts on some real
> problems.  Docs > windows.  Good search is awesome.  However neither
> are good enough that I want to see them yet.  Fingers crossed that
> they get there eventually :)
> 
> Britton

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