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On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 11:34 PM, Russell Nelson
(russnelson AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]
<geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
> That's Marvin's concern: Instead of listening to how the product could be
> made more useful to everyone, you tell me how I can move away from how the
> product works for everyone else.

I said specifically that this was about what Marvin had as an issue.
Specifically him. You are now the second person to chime in for no
reason disrupting the thread with *your* idea of what is wrong.

If you want to air your own issues by all means start your own thread.
Sorry if I am being curt here but I am tired of people on this list
hijacking threads.

Also please stop top posting.

> On Jul 26, 2016 7:14 PM, "Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via
> geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:08 PM, Russell Nelson
>> (russnelson AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]
>> <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>> > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via
>> > geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ignoring the issues with developers and their problems with change
>> >> would you please explain what it is you were hoping for in usability,
>> >> workflow and gui that you were not seeing?
>> >
>> >
>> > I share Marvin's concerns. Very simple usability concerns, which *ought*
>> > to
>> > be easily fixed:
>> >
>> > In gschem, I hit ^Z to undo. In PCB, I hit U to undo.
>> > In gschem, I hit s to get into select mode. In PCB, s changes the size
>> > of
>> > things.
>>
>> Thanks but again I was hoping to focus on just Marvin's concerns with
>> this thread.
>>
>> PS: gschem's keymap is user defined. I don't know about pcb. You could
>> make them match if you really wanted. (i always wanted buttons on the
>> keymap in pcb for (pcb legacy keymap) (gschem compatibility keymap)
>> (user defined)
>>
>> --
>> Home
>> http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/
>> Work
>> http://forge.abcd.harvard.edu/gf/project/epl_engineering/wiki/
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