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--001a1140055e53154d0538925806 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 That's Marvin's concern: Instead of listening to how the product could be made more useful to everyone, you tell me how I can move away from how the product works for everyone else. On Jul 26, 2016 7:14 PM, "Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:08 PM, Russell Nelson > (russnelson AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] > <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via > > geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote: > >> > >> Ignoring the issues with developers and their problems with change > >> would you please explain what it is you were hoping for in usability, > >> workflow and gui that you were not seeing? > > > > > > I share Marvin's concerns. Very simple usability concerns, which *ought* > to > > be easily fixed: > > > > In gschem, I hit ^Z to undo. In PCB, I hit U to undo. > > In gschem, I hit s to get into select mode. In PCB, s changes the size of > > things. > > Thanks but again I was hoping to focus on just Marvin's concerns with > this thread. > > PS: gschem's keymap is user defined. I don't know about pcb. You could > make them match if you really wanted. (i always wanted buttons on the > keymap in pcb for (pcb legacy keymap) (gschem compatibility keymap) > (user defined) > > -- > Home > http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ > Work > http://forge.abcd.harvard.edu/gf/project/epl_engineering/wiki/ > > -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > Version: GnuPG v2 > > mQENBFYy4RYBCAC183JomLtbdAlcKiaPDoVHq52LDmVmH75aiEc69m7YxDt54/ai > VtYCAobbGVIyn3Hlz3uhF6LnPl/6Lm1VdnCfpwu3KQhCO6ds10ow2C30X4ohCqOd > hCVg5C+ILmQkEffFrFODy3ji+PYTF4pADvHCWsTMv0hf0llwFOJsBCK6cl02IffE > JPqy4PjM1nZ9HpzT84JBaG/4OGvTZ8SQ2yFUl265jagvygPTf88H1xpZHH1r8dB1 > stjUHLmPH8AOyDgKxFchgGeDc3p/vJtgDDIXAFfDXG0NSRovLmtaQdGxe47Zf/go > bXiEM7YL2WqQe5zfEA919JxkEwlDKYniOSVzABEBAAG0N0V2YW4gRm9zcyAoVGhp > cyBpcyBteSBwdWJsaWMga2V5LikgPGV2YW5mb3NzQGdtYWlsLmNvbT6JATkEEwEC > ACMFAlYy4RYCGwMHCwkIBwMCAQYVCAIJCgsEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRCIpQTcE8nN > bbBaCACAm8pU5lG1ev2Fsw68Axtcl57SJrYieqX96c3YuYH9JpqMqJRnd9nDKw9X > tQuvuH7tUk0VbOaDqReOYJVI/4c5wb9AaOFp6K2DUcupq6XhgXpvz3HzoPwjAdIj > XuQzdRUx5+innTJrSkGuBYW/CZ2zqEx4xfLlq4rO0hoTUMR8QVp2cCrkw6BT0m86 > APIw/ZnjoxM8IEzr7MxfRIg3qpzrZk28rmhx+k78Jyk61UhwcCPGIm/pjUopTwYJ > 3YBdRB2cYD2aN7A1JVf5cRmSQYooHBGpH0kYvomGk97PKqypVuJ7OpG9xM58wUcC > qUVt9hKlePLzP8csYjt8onqI7qIIuQENBFYy4RYBCADlH8spG3WkCx62vB5mr5Z0 > SCDd/RcyA4A5y5EOj5KurQkrSWpgi9Ho1yKruMJ6blQR2qkc66KqH9pnXDm/ZI1M > K/wdW3ngETxBmXoozzFMT89aEWIVR5/PFodWK1elekE9iJxACuR98Zg2QttTD3x8 > A9w8VEyMLOXcDTrPFpHegMKswFBg5iuMulAdXAoGejWTI3n+qKFpabHm2Lfs6wjk > 5rjucpTdeFK6UeWF1xAvNxXibuu5BlGwv53930qIXRwO/Gn2Rh5DXWxKU2fEIme/ > xgQQmIsDeUoWbfybdjw/x7Q0LW4mINiLDQcGHHRQKFIxbAJCT3USPLGh5xwE9/Er > ABEBAAGJAR8EGAECAAkFAlYy4RYCGwwACgkQiKUE3BPJzW0uYAf9Hf30n8tM3mR2 > Zo6ESE0ivgdgjaJtAWrBUx7JzAzPjBnBOlNnu5Y9lVEqetvUPH6e3PvaHYUuaUU8 > 0HwxuKBW9nUprgV6uIu1DZmlcp+SxpbuCy7RDpNocRLNWWFMaYYzznmTgfnTgD4D > gCq8Mf1mcfrluTkOAo+QNqbMfl1GISClopRqxVuAo59ewgMnFujwgd8w12BwWl24 > CzqOs5HqcUslePj+LzcjSNgVCklYwKl+0dsb/fctMOCtHodwqm2CBJ+zydvNmYkD > fxda/J91Z1xrah5ec++FL0L4vs+jCiIWJeupJFKlr1hCMZiiGH7W554loK5l4jv3 > EY347EidAw== > =Ta4p > -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > --001a1140055e53154d0538925806 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <p dir=3D"ltr">That's Marvin's concern: Instead of listening to how= the product could be made more useful to everyone, you tell me how I can m= ove away from how the product works for everyone else.</p> <div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jul 26, 2016 7= :14 PM, "Evan Foss (<a href=3D"mailto:evanfoss AT gmail DOT com">evanfoss AT gma= il.com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com">geda-user AT delorie= .com</a>]" <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com">geda-user AT delo= rie.com</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q= uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e= x">On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:08 PM, Russell Nelson<br> (<a href=3D"mailto:russnelson AT gmail DOT com">russnelson AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a = href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>]<br> <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>> = wrote:<br> > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Evan Foss (<a href=3D"mailto:evanfoss= @gmail.com">evanfoss AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via<br> > <a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>] &l= t;<a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>> wr= ote:<br> >><br> >> Ignoring the issues with developers and their problems with change= <br> >> would you please explain what it is you were hoping for in usabili= ty,<br> >> workflow and gui that you were not seeing?<br> ><br> ><br> > I share Marvin's concerns. 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