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From:	"Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-user AT delorie DOT com>
Date:	Tue, 26 Jul 2016 22:19:37 +0000
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Subject:	[geda-user] Why we lost another user? -> Re: Why we just lost some users? -> Re:
	[geda-user] Stay or go?
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Sorry to top post but before we get into this thread I want people to
just comment on what James said framing everything only in terms of
how we might change some aspect of the project. I am not asking people
to commit to changing anything. I am not agitating for a change in
something specific. I am just trying to see if we can figure out what
James is looking for from the software.

Likewise the point is not for people to blurt out the answers we
already have to James's questions. We all know there are solutions,
the point is to find ones that we have not already done or new ways to
get them to users.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 9:22 PM, James Battat (jbattat AT wellesley DOT edu)
[via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>
> I am moving this to it's own thread just because I want it to get some
> added attention. I am hoping Marvin can respond with out being
> harassed by people looking to debate what he needs/wants because I
> want to honestly know (as I think others do/should) what people are
> looking for in gEDA that we currently don't have.
>
>
> I can add one point of view here.  When I was a brand-new user (started
> using gEDA in 2014 — I still consider myself a “quite new" user), I found
> the following frustrating when trying out gEDA:
>
> * Difficulty to install on my machine (Mac) (e.g. here and here)
>   Eventually, but reluctantly, I gave up and settled on running gschem/pcb
> in a linux virtual machine.
>   Once I chose to switch though, the linux install was painless.
>
> * Lack of coherent documentation for new users like myself to get off the
> ground
>   For example, I had been following the recommendation to use gsch2pcb
> (which is the first listed tutorial for how to start using gEDA) for more
> than a year before I stumbled upon the “Import Schematic” feature in pcb.
> And, IIRC, the documentation for that is scattered throughout mailing list
> posts.
>
> * Lack of searchable archive of the mailing list(?)  Maybe there is one, but
> I haven’t found it.
>   As a result, I often stumble across useful mailing list content by
> accident when doing somewhat related google searches (e.g. the Import
> Schematic example above).
>
> * No straightforward way to share a design (with relevant
> symbols/footprints) to collaborators.
>   see e.g. recent discussion on that topic.
>
> I work at a college, and the issues above pose a barrier to collaborating
> with students who are new to EDA.  i.e. it makes it hard to “bring new users
> into the fold.”  In contrast, there is ample Eagle/KiCad documentation, and
> the students prefer to start there.
>
> Since 2014, I've posted many questions to geda-help and geda-user, and the
> responses are often helpful and quick, and I really appreciate that.
> But sometimes it’s clear that there just isn’t a straightforward solution to
> the issue, and often no sense that a solution is coming soon.
>
> Some examples:
>
> * Bug in pcb when flipping component to back side of board
>
> * No good way to implement single-point grounding in pcb (or to specify it
> in gschem).
>   The recommended work-around was to use a capital letter I on a copper
> layer to bridge AGND and DGND, which only works because the pcb DRC ignores
> text...
>
> * Can’t omit the solder mask layer in pcb
>
> * pcb insists on using elements from the default library (without manually
> deleting the default library).  e.g. (here and here)
>
> Overall though, I like the unixy aspects of gschem/pcb enough to stick with
> it and puzzle things out.  So please know that I am very appreciative of the
> existence of both programs and of the community that supports them.
>
> James



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