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On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 5:22 PM, James Battat (jbattat AT wellesley DOT edu)
[via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>
> I am moving this to it's own thread just because I want it to get some
> added attention. I am hoping Marvin can respond with out being
> harassed by people looking to debate what he needs/wants because I
> want to honestly know (as I think others do/should) what people are
> looking for in gEDA that we currently don't have.
>
>
> I can add one point of view here.  When I was a brand-new user (started
> using gEDA in 2014 — I still consider myself a “quite new" user), I found
> the following frustrating when trying out gEDA:
>
> * Difficulty to install on my machine (Mac) (e.g. here and here)
>   Eventually, but reluctantly, I gave up and settled on running gschem/pcb
> in a linux virtual machine.
>   Once I chose to switch though, the linux install was painless.
>
> * Lack of coherent documentation for new users like myself to get off the
> ground
>   For example, I had been following the recommendation to use gsch2pcb
> (which is the first listed tutorial for how to start using gEDA) for more
> than a year before I stumbled upon the “Import Schematic” feature in pcb.
> And, IIRC, the documentation for that is scattered throughout mailing list
> posts.
>
> * Lack of searchable archive of the mailing list(?)  Maybe there is one, but
> I haven’t found it.
>   As a result, I often stumble across useful mailing list content by
> accident when doing somewhat related google searches (e.g. the Import
> Schematic example above).
>
> * No straightforward way to share a design (with relevant
> symbols/footprints) to collaborators.
>   see e.g. recent discussion on that topic.
>
> I work at a college, and the issues above pose a barrier to collaborating
> with students who are new to EDA.  i.e. it makes it hard to “bring new users
> into the fold.”  In contrast, there is ample Eagle/KiCad documentation, and
> the students prefer to start there.
>
> Since 2014, I've posted many questions to geda-help and geda-user, and the
> responses are often helpful and quick, and I really appreciate that.
> But sometimes it’s clear that there just isn’t a straightforward solution to
> the issue, and often no sense that a solution is coming soon.
>
> Some examples:
>
> * Bug in pcb when flipping component to back side of board
>
> * No good way to implement single-point grounding in pcb (or to specify it
> in gschem).
>   The recommended work-around was to use a capital letter I on a copper
> layer to bridge AGND and DGND, which only works because the pcb DRC ignores
> text...
>
> * Can’t omit the solder mask layer in pcb
>
> * pcb insists on using elements from the default library (without manually
> deleting the default library).  e.g. (here and here)
>
> Overall though, I like the unixy aspects of gschem/pcb enough to stick with
> it and puzzle things out.  So please know that I am very appreciative of the
> existence of both programs and of the community that supports them.
>
> James

Thanks James but I was hoping to keep this thread about Marvin's
experiance. Lets look at your bad experience with this in it's own
thread ok?

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