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From:	"Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-user AT delorie DOT com>
Date:	Tue, 26 Jul 2016 14:36:14 -0400
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Subject:	Why we just lost some users? -> Re: [geda-user] Stay or go?
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On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 6:25 PM, Marvin Dickens (mpdickens AT gmail DOT com)
[via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
> Please note this email is not a troll as I have been on this list way over a
> decade. With that said, here it comes:

I am moving this to it's own thread just because I want it to get some
added attention. I am hoping Marvin can respond with out being
harassed by people looking to debate what he needs/wants because I
want to honestly know (as I think others do/should) what people are
looking for in gEDA that we currently don't have.

A lot of us view gEDA as being perfect enough to use. I would like to
hear an openly descenting opinion.

> We asked ourselves the exact same question a little over 12 months ago and
> concluded we needed to purchase licenses to a well
> known commercial EDA suite. With that said,  Free software is the future.
> OTOH, gEDA developers have to figure out how to move forward
> embrace current and future user needs (The usual stuff like: usability,
> modern work flow, modern gui and etc...) Candidly, at our organization,
> we do not see this happening. What we see are personality clashes between

Ignoring the issues with developers and their problems with change
would you please explain what it is you were hoping for in usability,
workflow and gui that you were not seeing?

> developers and an unwillingness to embrace change, new technology
> or new paradigms in computer science of any type or kind - Even though in
> computer science and engineering change is a certainty. OTOH, we
> have no room to complain because gEDA developers create code gratis and a
> reasonable argument can be made that if I or anyone else is unhappy with the
> state of things we can write the additions and/or changes ourselves. This
> dynamic makes it impossible to include the tool set in our
> business plan - Its too risky.
>
> So, After great debate, we jumped ship.  But, did not do it in haste. We
> continue to read the list and keep a couple of workstations with gEDA loaded
> in the event we need to revisit a design. I suppose what I am saying is this
> suite is now a legacy in our workflow - This does not make me happy,
> but it's the way it is. In fact, I'd go as far as to say its a shame.

That is too bad.

>
> Regards
>
> Marvin

Thanks,
Evan

> On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 10:16 AM, James Battat (jbattat AT wellesley DOT edu) [via
> geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear gEDA folks,
>>
>> I’ve used gschem/pcb for several (modest) boards now, and love many things
>> about it.
>> I do not love what I perceive to be deep friction and lack of cooperation
>> among developers.
>>
>> It makes me wonder how long gschem/pcb will endure.  And therefore I must
>> decide if, as a user, I should invest any more effort to learning the
>> platform and building up custom footprint/schematic libraries, etc, or
>> instead transition now to another platform.
>>
>> This may be an unfair question to ask on this forum, but here goes:
>>
>> What do you see as drawbacks to KiCad (wrt gschem/pcb)?  I’m on the fence
>> about transitioning away from gschem/pcb.  Why should I stay?
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>>
>



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