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My two centiEUR:

Long time ago we have decided to get into open source scene and since I 
was working for Electronics magazine at the time, it was logical to look 
into CAD and start using it.
There is lot to be said for "free" CAD that your readers can use to load 
your design and make a board, edit it etc.

So we looked into all known choices and at the time, came to the 
conclusion that gEDA+PCB were, sucky as the were, only choices worth 
mentioning.

KiCAD came later, so I've checked that also.

There are two deal-breakers for me:

- Program's interface and workflow just doesn't click with me. It feels 
like swallowing a cactus. I just don't feel like my hands are free, when 
working with it.

- KiCAD is based on C++, which means heaps and loads of object pr0n. 
After a while, I learned to understand gEDA/PCB sources. Staring into 
KiCAD's just gave me headache.

At present, I have two versions of PCB on the system. One that is based 
on latest official version, and another, that is generated from my 
branch of pcb-git sources. That one I can generate simply by starting 
projerct build in CodeLite. I get new PCB in my user directory and 
lately, this is the version that I use most often. Until now, I didn't 
do big changes on it, but that is changing exponentially. It has 
additional layers and it is translated to our language, and now has some 
very annoying bugs killed, like that one for polygon holes,etc.

With PCB, however faulty it is, I have feeling of having control over 
usage and development. With KiCAD, I don't. Not to mention that those 
object oriented projects usually end up being slow and overly depending 
on sh*tload components and conditions your particular system doesn't 
have. When I see eg boost as a dependency of some package , I usually 
start looking for an alternative.

I intend to use PCB as a canvas for my version. Until then, I intend to 
participate in bug hunts and tweak sessions in this one. While using it, 
of course.


Branko





On 23. 07. 2016 16:16, James Battat (jbattat AT wellesley DOT edu) [via 
geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
> Dear gEDA folks,
>
> I’ve used gschem/pcb for several (modest) boards now, and love many things about it.
> I do not love what I perceive to be deep friction and lack of cooperation among developers.
>
> It makes me wonder how long gschem/pcb will endure.  And therefore I must decide if, as a user, I should invest any more effort to learning the platform and building up custom footprint/schematic libraries, etc, or instead transition now to another platform.
>
> This may be an unfair question to ask on this forum, but here goes:
>
> What do you see as drawbacks to KiCad (wrt gschem/pcb)?  I’m on the fence about transitioning away from gschem/pcb.  Why should I stay?
>
> James
>
>
>
>

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