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On Tue, Apr 05, 2016 at 10:03:58PM +0200, Roland Lutz wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Apr 2016, gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu wrote:
> >1. Do you use the lesstif HID? (select one)
> c. sometimes, rarely
> 
> The main reason I'm not using the lesstif HID is that the library
> window doesn't perform well with a hierarchical directory layout,
> and that layer grouping is somewhat cumbersome.  Also, it would help
> if I could run the lesstif HID by specifying a command-line option
> without having to recompile PCB.
> 
> In principle, I'd rather use the lesstif HID (it is more responsive
> and has a nicer look on my machine), but I don't care enough to fix
> these things myself.
> 
> >2. If there were different menu resources files distributed with
> >PCB, would you try them? (select one)
> a. yes, I'd give each variant a try before deciding which one to use
> 
> It would be nice to be able to switch gschem and PCB keyboard
> mappings between:
> - as before
> - gschem hotkeys for PCB, too
> - Emacs-style hotkeys
> - Windows-style hotkeys
> 
> >3. Do you customize your menu resource file? (select one)
> c. never, I know where I'd perform the changes if I ever needed them
> but defalts are good enough for now
> 
> I don't use PCB frequently enough to really have cared about that
> yet. Also, since many PCB menus are lists and I don't like hotkeys
> like C-S-7, I use tear-off menus more often than hotkeys.
> 
> >5. Do you miss multi-key sequences from the GTK hid? (select one)
> a. yes, I'd prefer to use them over modifiers (ctrl, alt, shift)
> 
> I'd like to be able to configure the same hotkeys as in gschem.
> 
> Also, I generally prefer “serial” to “parallel” hotkeys because they
> require less finger acrobatics.  It's just more ergonomic for me to
> type "f s" than to hold down the control key while typing "s".  The
> difference isn't large, but it's large enough for me to really miss
> this feature in some applications I regularly use.

Seconded. However some default single key PCB hotkeys are really cumbersome
to use on some keyboard layout. 

For example the thin draw "|" hotkey on a Spanish keyboard is AltGR-1 where 
the AltGR is a modified found at the right side of the spacebar while the 
digit 1 is at the usual place. 

This requires a hand which extends more than an octave on a standard piano
(or using both hands but means moving the mouse hand to the keyboard and
back). 

And it would be worse for a left-handed person, having to push the thumb 
up to the digit row while keeping the pinky on the modifier.

In general using special characters, i.e., anything else than letters
and numbers, for hotkeys is a very bad idea. And even for numbers, you
should be aware that they are not directly accessible on French
keyboard, but need a Shift modifier.

On a Spanish keyboad, the "[" and "]" gschem hotkeys are not too difficult 
to type but need a weird movement where the thumb has to go under the palm 
to press the AltGR key while the index goes to another key somehere
between the "P" and the "Return" keys.

    Gabriel

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