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Date:	Thu, 25 Feb 2016 09:49:54 -0900
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Subject:	Re: [geda-user] exactly how is moving between sides/layers supposed
	to work, and more generally...
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On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 12:08 AM, Stephan Böttcher <geda AT psjt DOT org> wrote:
> "Britton Kerin (britton DOT kerin AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]"
> <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> writes:
>
>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 11:02 PM, Stephan Böttcher <geda AT psjt DOT org> wrote:
>>> "Britton Kerin (britton DOT kerin AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]"
>>> <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Ok.  I think the overloading on B is good.
>>>
>>> No.  Shift-X acts on selection, X acts on object under the mouse.  If
>>
>> The overloading I was referring to on B is already there.  Neither X
>> nor Shift-X are bound to anything in the shipping arrangement so far
>> as I can tell.  What do they do for you?
>
> For X in (Del, B, M, H, J), at least, the behaviour is as described.

ok i got it

>>> you weaken that priciple the user experience will become worse, not
>>> better.
>>
>>> Make the features more discoverable.  But please do not try to
>>> "optimize" them in isolation.
>>
>> I'm not, I'm going through and finding all the inconsistencies they
>> have with respect to one another.  I'd like them to be more
>> consistent, not less so.  Maybe take a look at my original post.
>
> Sure, there you proposed:
>
>> How I think it should work:
>>
>>     Like 2. above, with the additional behavior that if nothing is selected
>>     the hovered element is sent.
>
> I thought, this is the overloading you referred to.  Please don't.

You're right it makes sense as it is.  The pattern just isn't obvious
especially with some of the hotkeys under menus and some in the
hotkeys catch-all

It's maybe a waste of hot keys but it lets you do some things while
preserving the selection for what that's worth

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