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Date:	Wed, 20 Jan 2016 22:36:16 +0000
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On 20/01/16 21:41, DJ Delorie wrote:
>> The people using stuff this ancient are unlikely to want to upgrade
>> pcb anyway.  As you've argued yourself in the past, for them to
>> suffer all the old version would have to somehow magically
>> disappear.  I don't want to assume this is just a setup to make
>> going C99 impossible, but you can probably see how it might look
>> that way.
> You're missing the point.  You keep guessing what our user base should
> be doing, and not asking our user base what they *are* doing.  I've
> listed the things we need to know and the steps we need to take before
> we can make an informed decision that we haven't made, and you keep
> trying to justify the change based on guesses and suppositions.
>
> So to reiterate in summary...
>
> 1. Find out what our user base *has*.  This may include potential user
>    base (Windows, BSD).
>
> 2. Figure out what the side-effects of the change *will be*
>
> 3. *Decide* amongst ourselves to do it or not.
Ok this is going to sound utterly ridiculous, but here goes ..

Given the mailing list and IRC are very heavily skewed (in very
orthogonal directions!) .. how about we put a Very short (like <5
question) survey before users download geda/pcb and we start to amass
SOME kind of realistic data about who the users are, and very VERY
roughly how they use geda. Possibly with a longer one on geda-project or
something, I dunno.

"We" really are pulling in all sorts of directions, and different devs
have very different ideas about what a priority should be. Most are
centered around some unique use-case or personal preference, which,
whilst interesting, is very haphazard. Lets try and put some boundaries
on some of this! Not to say that I don't see some really useful stuff
going on too, just to mention!

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