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Hi Igore2

POLL:

>1. How many of your boards REQUIRE burried or blind vias? [percentage]
Somewhere around 50%

>2. How many of your boards could BENEFIT burried or blind vias?
[percentage]
Almost all new designs - So around 80%

>3. When your board REQUIRED them, do you more often find a workaround to
stick with pcb instead of switching to another design tool? [yes/no]
I use another tool (Altium)

>4. When your board could BENEFIT using them, do you more often find a
workaround to stick with pcb instead of switching to another design tool
>This is typically an application centric question (I usually know the
answer because of the type of design and/or type of semiconductor packages
that will be used...) and I don't start the design in PCB if I think this
is going to be the case.

>5. Have you ever tried pcb-rnd? [yes/no]
No, But I am going to very shortly

>6. Would you try pcb-rnd if it offered blind/burried vias? [yes/no]
Yes

>7. Would you consider switching to pcb-rnd if it offered blind/burried
vias? [yes/no]


>8. Approximately how many boards have you done so far with pcb (pcb
mainline/branches/forks included, using gschem/gnetlist not required)? "1
>board done" means you had one or more physical copies of the board. [rough
estimation, positive integer]
30 or so (I think...)

>9. Approximately how many boards have you done with other packages? [rough
estimation, positive integer]
Hundreds - I can put a number to it.

>10. What OS would you prefer to do your pcb layouts on (assuming your
favorite layout tool is/would be available on it)? [one of: (GNU/)Linux,
*BSD,
>OSX, windows, other; if you like more, select the one you would spend most
time on!]

OS X is my number one desktop choice followed by Linux. If I need windows,
I run it as a virtual machine in either of the previously mentioned OS's.


Best

Marvin

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:32 AM, <gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> after some more code reading I found a way to add support for
> burried/blind vias in pcb-rnd with reasonable effort, without first having
> to rewrite everything and/or inventing new file formats. This could be the
> next big feature in pcb-rnd.
>
> My only problem is that I do not really feel the need for this feature and
> I don't want to spend time developing features that wouldn't be used. I am
> not sure about other users, tho. If you are interested, please answer these
> questions with yes/no, unless specified otherwise (comments are also
> welcome after the yes/no). You can send your answer in private if you want
> to reduce list traffic. I will collect answers this week and will publish
> anonimized results.
>
> Please focus on answering the questions - see disclaimer at the bottom; I
> will ignore posts that attempt to derail the thread and encourage everyone
> else to do the same.
>
> Note: "you" means personally you, not your friends or subcontractors.
>
> POLL:
>
> 1. How many of your boards REQUIRE burried or blind vias? [percentage]
>
> 2. How many of your boards could BENEFIT burried or blind vias?
> [percentage]
>
> 3. When your board REQUIRED them, do you more often find a workaround to
> stick with pcb instead of switching to another design tool? [yes/no]
>
> 4. When your board could BENEFIT using them, do you more often find a
> workaround to stick with pcb instead of switching to another design tool?
> [yes/no]
>
> 5. Have you ever tried pcb-rnd? [yes/no]
>
> 6. Would you try pcb-rnd if it offered blind/burried vias? [yes/no]
>
> 7. Would you consider switching to pcb-rnd if it offered blind/burried
> vias? [yes/no]
>
> 8. Approximately how many boards have you done so far with pcb (pcb
> mainline/branches/forks included, using gschem/gnetlist not required)? "1
> board done" means you had one or more physical copies of the board. [rough
> estimation, positive integer]
>
> 9. Approximately how many boards have you done with other packages? [rough
> estimation, positive integer]
>
> 10. What OS would you prefer to do your pcb layouts on (assuming your
> favorite layout tool is/would be available on it)? [one of: (GNU/)Linux,
> *BSD, OSX, windows, other; if you like more, select the one you would spend
> most time on!]
>
>
>
> ANTI-NOISE DISCLAIMER: this mail has nothing to do with:
> - gschem/libgeda/gnetlist;
> - pcb file format preferences;
> - programming languages;
> - VCS, development workflow preferences;
> - integration vs. toolkit;
> - "how broken pcb is";
> - "how perfect geda/gaf is".
> If you think you've found a part that does have a connection to any of
> these topics, please DO NOT reply to that part or make a new thread with a
> new subject and move the specific part there.
>
>
> TIA,
>
> Igor2
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Igore2<div><br></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:13px=
">POLL:</span><br style=3D"font-size:13px"><br style=3D"font-size:13px"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:13px">&gt;1. How many of your boards REQUIRE burried =
or blind vias? [percentage]</span></div><div>Somewhere around 50%<br style=
=3D"font-size:13px"><br style=3D"font-size:13px"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
3px">&gt;2. How many of your boards could BENEFIT burried or blind vias? [p=
ercentage]</span><br style=3D"font-size:13px">Almost all new designs - So a=
round 80%</div><div><br><span style=3D"font-size:13px">&gt;3. When your boa=
rd REQUIRED them, do you more often find a workaround to stick with pcb ins=
tead of switching to another design tool? [yes/no]</span><br style=3D"font-=
size:13px">I use another tool (Altium)</div><div><br><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:13px">&gt;4. When your board could BENEFIT using them, do you more often=
 find a workaround to stick with pcb instead of switching to another design=
 tool</span></div><div>&gt;This is typically an application centric questio=
n (I usually know the answer because of the type of design and/or type of s=
emiconductor packages that will be used...) and I don&#39;t start the desig=
n in PCB if I think this is going to be the case.<br style=3D"font-size:13p=
x"><br style=3D"font-size:13px"><span style=3D"font-size:13px">&gt;5. Have =
you ever tried pcb-rnd? [yes/no]</span></div><div>No, But I am going to ver=
y shortly<br style=3D"font-size:13px"><br style=3D"font-size:13px"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:13px">&gt;6. Would you try pcb-rnd if it offered blind/bur=
ried vias? [yes/no]</span></div><div>Yes<br style=3D"font-size:13px"><br st=
yle=3D"font-size:13px"><span style=3D"font-size:13px">&gt;7. Would you cons=
ider switching to pcb-rnd if it offered blind/burried vias? [yes/no]</span>=
</div><div><span style=3D"font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><br style=
=3D"font-size:13px"><span style=3D"font-size:13px">&gt;8. Approximately how=
 many boards have you done so far with pcb (pcb mainline/branches/forks inc=
luded, using gschem/gnetlist not required)? &quot;1</span></div><div><span =
style=3D"font-size:13px">&gt;board done&quot; means you had one or more phy=
sical copies of the board. [rough estimation, positive integer]</span></div=
><div>30 or so (I think...)<br style=3D"font-size:13px"><br style=3D"font-s=
ize:13px"><span style=3D"font-size:13px">&gt;9. Approximately how many boar=
ds have you done with other packages? [rough estimation, positive integer]<=
/span></div><div>Hundreds - I can put a number to it.<br style=3D"font-size=
:13px"><br style=3D"font-size:13px"><span style=3D"font-size:13px">&gt;10. =
What OS would you prefer to do your pcb layouts on (assuming your favorite =
layout tool is/would be available on it)? [one of: (GNU/)Linux, *BSD,</span=
></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:13px">&gt;OSX, windows, other; if you =
like more, select the one you would spend most time on!]</span><br style=3D=
"font-size:13px"></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:13px"><br></span></div=
><div>OS X is my number one desktop choice followed by Linux. If I need win=
dows, I run it as a virtual machine in either of the=C2=A0previously mentio=
ned OS&#39;s.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Best</div><div><br></=
div><div>Marvin</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote">On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:32 AM,  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu" target=3D"_blank">gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu</a>&g=
t;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi all,<br>
<br>
after some more code reading I found a way to add support for burried/blind=
 vias in pcb-rnd with reasonable effort, without first having to rewrite ev=
erything and/or inventing new file formats. This could be the next big feat=
ure in pcb-rnd.<br>
<br>
My only problem is that I do not really feel the need for this feature and =
I don&#39;t want to spend time developing features that wouldn&#39;t be use=
d. I am not sure about other users, tho. If you are interested, please answ=
er these questions with yes/no, unless specified otherwise (comments are al=
so welcome after the yes/no). You can send your answer in private if you wa=
nt to reduce list traffic. I will collect answers this week and will publis=
h anonimized results.<br>
<br>
Please focus on answering the questions - see disclaimer at the bottom; I w=
ill ignore posts that attempt to derail the thread and encourage everyone e=
lse to do the same.<br>
<br>
Note: &quot;you&quot; means personally you, not your friends or subcontract=
ors.<br>
<br>
POLL:<br>
<br>
1. How many of your boards REQUIRE burried or blind vias? [percentage]<br>
<br>
2. How many of your boards could BENEFIT burried or blind vias? [percentage=
]<br>
<br>
3. When your board REQUIRED them, do you more often find a workaround to st=
ick with pcb instead of switching to another design tool? [yes/no]<br>
<br>
4. When your board could BENEFIT using them, do you more often find a worka=
round to stick with pcb instead of switching to another design tool? [yes/n=
o]<br>
<br>
5. Have you ever tried pcb-rnd? [yes/no]<br>
<br>
6. Would you try pcb-rnd if it offered blind/burried vias? [yes/no]<br>
<br>
7. Would you consider switching to pcb-rnd if it offered blind/burried vias=
? [yes/no]<br>
<br>
8. Approximately how many boards have you done so far with pcb (pcb mainlin=
e/branches/forks included, using gschem/gnetlist not required)? &quot;1 boa=
rd done&quot; means you had one or more physical copies of the board. [roug=
h estimation, positive integer]<br>
<br>
9. Approximately how many boards have you done with other packages? [rough =
estimation, positive integer]<br>
<br>
10. What OS would you prefer to do your pcb layouts on (assuming your favor=
ite layout tool is/would be available on it)? [one of: (GNU/)Linux, *BSD, O=
SX, windows, other; if you like more, select the one you would spend most t=
ime on!]<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
ANTI-NOISE DISCLAIMER: this mail has nothing to do with:<br>
- gschem/libgeda/gnetlist;<br>
- pcb file format preferences;<br>
- programming languages;<br>
- VCS, development workflow preferences;<br>
- integration vs. toolkit;<br>
- &quot;how broken pcb is&quot;;<br>
- &quot;how perfect geda/gaf is&quot;.<br>
If you think you&#39;ve found a part that does have a connection to any of =
these topics, please DO NOT reply to that part or make a new thread with a =
new subject and move the specific part there.<br>
<br>
<br>
TIA,<br>
<br>
Igor2<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div>

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