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On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 10:32 PM, <gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> after some more code reading I found a way to add support for
> burried/blind vias in pcb-rnd with reasonable effort, without first having
> to rewrite everything and/or inventing new file formats. This could be the
> next big feature in pcb-rnd.
>
> My only problem is that I do not really feel the need for this feature and
> I don't want to spend time developing features that wouldn't be used. I am
> not sure about other users, tho. If you are interested, please answer these
> questions with yes/no, unless specified otherwise (comments are also
> welcome after the yes/no). You can send your answer in private if you want
> to reduce list traffic. I will collect answers this week and will publish
> anonimized results.
>
> Please focus on answering the questions - see disclaimer at the bottom; I
> will ignore posts that attempt to derail the thread and encourage everyone
> else to do the same.
>
> Note: "you" means personally you, not your friends or subcontractors.
>
> POLL:
>
> 1. How many of your boards REQUIRE burried or blind vias? [percentage]
>

0


> 2. How many of your boards could BENEFIT burried or blind vias?
> [percentage]
>

80


> 3. When your board REQUIRED them, do you more often find a workaround to
> stick with pcb instead of switching to another design tool? [yes/no]
>

yes


> 4. When your board could BENEFIT using them, do you more often find a
> workaround to stick with pcb instead of switching to another design tool?
> [yes/no]
>

yes


> 5. Have you ever tried pcb-rnd? [yes/no]
>

no


> 6. Would you try pcb-rnd if it offered blind/burried vias? [yes/no]
>

no


> 7. Would you consider switching to pcb-rnd if it offered blind/burried
> vias? [yes/no]
>

no


> 8. Approximately how many boards have you done so far with pcb (pcb
> mainline/branches/forks included, using gschem/gnetlist not required)? "1
> board done" means you had one or more physical copies of the board. [rough
> estimation, positive integer]
>

~15


> 9. Approximately how many boards have you done with other packages? [rough
> estimation, positive integer]
>

0


> 10. What OS would you prefer to do your pcb layouts on (assuming your
> favorite layout tool is/would be available on it)? [one of: (GNU/)Linux,
> *BSD, OSX, windows, other; if you like more, select the one you would spend
> most time on!]
>

linux

Britton

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 10:32 PM,  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu" target=3D"_blank">gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu</a>&gt;</spa=
n> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi all,<br>
<br>
after some more code reading I found a way to add support for burried/blind=
 vias in pcb-rnd with reasonable effort, without first having to rewrite ev=
erything and/or inventing new file formats. This could be the next big feat=
ure in pcb-rnd.<br>
<br>
My only problem is that I do not really feel the need for this feature and =
I don&#39;t want to spend time developing features that wouldn&#39;t be use=
d. I am not sure about other users, tho. If you are interested, please answ=
er these questions with yes/no, unless specified otherwise (comments are al=
so welcome after the yes/no). You can send your answer in private if you wa=
nt to reduce list traffic. I will collect answers this week and will publis=
h anonimized results.<br>
<br>
Please focus on answering the questions - see disclaimer at the bottom; I w=
ill ignore posts that attempt to derail the thread and encourage everyone e=
lse to do the same.<br>
<br>
Note: &quot;you&quot; means personally you, not your friends or subcontract=
ors.<br>
<br>
POLL:<br>
<br>
1. How many of your boards REQUIRE burried or blind vias? [percentage]<br><=
/blockquote><div><br></div><div>0</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">
2. How many of your boards could BENEFIT burried or blind vias? [percentage=
]<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>80</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid=
;padding-left:1ex">
3. When your board REQUIRED them, do you more often find a workaround to st=
ick with pcb instead of switching to another design tool? [yes/no]<br></blo=
ckquote><div><br></div><div style=3D"">yes</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex">
4. When your board could BENEFIT using them, do you more often find a worka=
round to stick with pcb instead of switching to another design tool? [yes/n=
o]<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style=3D"">yes</div><div>=C2=A0</div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
5. Have you ever tried pcb-rnd? [yes/no]<br></blockquote><div><br></div><di=
v style=3D"">no</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
6. Would you try pcb-rnd if it offered blind/burried vias? [yes/no]<br></bl=
ockquote><div><br></div><div style=3D"">no</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex">
7. Would you consider switching to pcb-rnd if it offered blind/burried vias=
? [yes/no]<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style=3D"">no</div><div>=C2=
=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
8. Approximately how many boards have you done so far with pcb (pcb mainlin=
e/branches/forks included, using gschem/gnetlist not required)? &quot;1 boa=
rd done&quot; means you had one or more physical copies of the board. [roug=
h estimation, positive integer]<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>~15</di=
v><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
9. Approximately how many boards have you done with other packages? [rough =
estimation, positive integer]<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>0</div><d=
iv>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
10. What OS would you prefer to do your pcb layouts on (assuming your favor=
ite layout tool is/would be available on it)? [one of: (GNU/)Linux, *BSD, O=
SX, windows, other; if you like more, select the one you would spend most t=
ime on!]<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style=3D"">linux</div><div><br=
></div><div style=3D"">Britton</div></div></div></div>

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