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Hi Igor2!

Yes.

I am using an Expensive, well known EDA package to deal with designs that
require
blind and buried via's.

Thank you for your time and expertise!

Regards

Marvin


On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:32 AM, <gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> after some more code reading I found a way to add support for
> burried/blind vias in pcb-rnd with reasonable effort, without first having
> to rewrite everything and/or inventing new file formats. This could be the
> next big feature in pcb-rnd.
>
> My only problem is that I do not really feel the need for this feature and
> I don't want to spend time developing features that wouldn't be used. I am
> not sure about other users, tho. If you are interested, please answer these
> questions with yes/no, unless specified otherwise (comments are also
> welcome after the yes/no). You can send your answer in private if you want
> to reduce list traffic. I will collect answers this week and will publish
> anonimized results.
>
> Please focus on answering the questions - see disclaimer at the bottom; I
> will ignore posts that attempt to derail the thread and encourage everyone
> else to do the same.
>
> Note: "you" means personally you, not your friends or subcontractors.
>
> POLL:
>
> 1. How many of your boards REQUIRE burried or blind vias? [percentage]
>
> 2. How many of your boards could BENEFIT burried or blind vias?
> [percentage]
>
> 3. When your board REQUIRED them, do you more often find a workaround to
> stick with pcb instead of switching to another design tool? [yes/no]
>
> 4. When your board could BENEFIT using them, do you more often find a
> workaround to stick with pcb instead of switching to another design tool?
> [yes/no]
>
> 5. Have you ever tried pcb-rnd? [yes/no]
>
> 6. Would you try pcb-rnd if it offered blind/burried vias? [yes/no]
>
> 7. Would you consider switching to pcb-rnd if it offered blind/burried
> vias? [yes/no]
>
> 8. Approximately how many boards have you done so far with pcb (pcb
> mainline/branches/forks included, using gschem/gnetlist not required)? "1
> board done" means you had one or more physical copies of the board. [rough
> estimation, positive integer]
>
> 9. Approximately how many boards have you done with other packages? [rough
> estimation, positive integer]
>
> 10. What OS would you prefer to do your pcb layouts on (assuming your
> favorite layout tool is/would be available on it)? [one of: (GNU/)Linux,
> *BSD, OSX, windows, other; if you like more, select the one you would spend
> most time on!]
>
>
>
> ANTI-NOISE DISCLAIMER: this mail has nothing to do with:
> - gschem/libgeda/gnetlist;
> - pcb file format preferences;
> - programming languages;
> - VCS, development workflow preferences;
> - integration vs. toolkit;
> - "how broken pcb is";
> - "how perfect geda/gaf is".
> If you think you've found a part that does have a connection to any of
> these topics, please DO NOT reply to that part or make a new thread with a
> new subject and move the specific part there.
>
>
> TIA,
>
> Igor2
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Igor2!<div><br></div><div>Yes.</div><div><br></div><div=
>I am using an Expensive, well known EDA package to deal with designs that =
require</div><div>blind and buried via&#39;s.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><di=
v>Thank you for your time and expertise!</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</=
div><div><br></div><div>Marvin</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:32 AM,  <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu" target=3D"_blan=
k">gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
ex">Hi all,<br>
<br>
after some more code reading I found a way to add support for burried/blind=
 vias in pcb-rnd with reasonable effort, without first having to rewrite ev=
erything and/or inventing new file formats. This could be the next big feat=
ure in pcb-rnd.<br>
<br>
My only problem is that I do not really feel the need for this feature and =
I don&#39;t want to spend time developing features that wouldn&#39;t be use=
d. I am not sure about other users, tho. If you are interested, please answ=
er these questions with yes/no, unless specified otherwise (comments are al=
so welcome after the yes/no). You can send your answer in private if you wa=
nt to reduce list traffic. I will collect answers this week and will publis=
h anonimized results.<br>
<br>
Please focus on answering the questions - see disclaimer at the bottom; I w=
ill ignore posts that attempt to derail the thread and encourage everyone e=
lse to do the same.<br>
<br>
Note: &quot;you&quot; means personally you, not your friends or subcontract=
ors.<br>
<br>
POLL:<br>
<br>
1. How many of your boards REQUIRE burried or blind vias? [percentage]<br>
<br>
2. How many of your boards could BENEFIT burried or blind vias? [percentage=
]<br>
<br>
3. When your board REQUIRED them, do you more often find a workaround to st=
ick with pcb instead of switching to another design tool? [yes/no]<br>
<br>
4. When your board could BENEFIT using them, do you more often find a worka=
round to stick with pcb instead of switching to another design tool? [yes/n=
o]<br>
<br>
5. Have you ever tried pcb-rnd? [yes/no]<br>
<br>
6. Would you try pcb-rnd if it offered blind/burried vias? [yes/no]<br>
<br>
7. Would you consider switching to pcb-rnd if it offered blind/burried vias=
? [yes/no]<br>
<br>
8. Approximately how many boards have you done so far with pcb (pcb mainlin=
e/branches/forks included, using gschem/gnetlist not required)? &quot;1 boa=
rd done&quot; means you had one or more physical copies of the board. [roug=
h estimation, positive integer]<br>
<br>
9. Approximately how many boards have you done with other packages? [rough =
estimation, positive integer]<br>
<br>
10. What OS would you prefer to do your pcb layouts on (assuming your favor=
ite layout tool is/would be available on it)? [one of: (GNU/)Linux, *BSD, O=
SX, windows, other; if you like more, select the one you would spend most t=
ime on!]<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
ANTI-NOISE DISCLAIMER: this mail has nothing to do with:<br>
- gschem/libgeda/gnetlist;<br>
- pcb file format preferences;<br>
- programming languages;<br>
- VCS, development workflow preferences;<br>
- integration vs. toolkit;<br>
- &quot;how broken pcb is&quot;;<br>
- &quot;how perfect geda/gaf is&quot;.<br>
If you think you&#39;ve found a part that does have a connection to any of =
these topics, please DO NOT reply to that part or make a new thread with a =
new subject and move the specific part there.<br>
<br>
<br>
TIA,<br>
<br>
Igor2<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div>

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