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On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 7:38 AM, Nicklas Karlsson (
nicklas DOT karlsson17 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <
geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:

> > As I've mentioned previously I'm talking pcb, which is a more painful
> > format to parse (such that so far as I'm aware the parser in pcb is the
> > only one).  Personally I find formats like this:
> >
> >   device=RESISTOR
> >   T 44400 49300 5 10 1 1 90 0 1
> >
> > substantially less readable than ones with field names, but they are
> indeed
> > easy to parse.  The pcb format is quite a bit more elaborate and the
> > savings from not rolling your own parser are more significant.
>
> Yes this is simple to parse, use little file space but do not have field
> name. To use little file space and be simple to parse is actually two good
> properties of a file format.
>
> Lack of field names may be worked around by having a list of field names
> in the beginning. If this list of field names is sorted according to how
> often they are used and each row only have to list used values it would
> probably be a file format with rather good properties.
>
> To enumerate the field names at the beginning of the file may also be a
> solution. Or maybe to use representation of data structures from a
> programming language.
>

Although these are good measures, once you adopt them you may start asking
yourself why you aren't just using a binary format.  The argument for text
is that you can glance at a chunk of it and easily tell what's going on.

Britton

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 7:38 AM, Nicklas Karlsson (<a href=3D"mailto:nicklas=
.karlsson17 AT gmail DOT com">nicklas DOT karlsson17 AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"ma=
ilto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>] <span dir=3D"ltr">&l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-user AT delo=
rie.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">&gt; As I&#=
39;ve mentioned previously I&#39;m talking pcb, which is a more painful<br>
&gt; format to parse (such that so far as I&#39;m aware the parser in pcb i=
s the<br>
&gt; only one).=C2=A0 Personally I find formats like this:<br>
<span class=3D"">&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0device=3DRESISTOR<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0T 44400 49300 5 10 1 1 90 0 1<br>
&gt;<br>
</span><span class=3D"">&gt; substantially less readable than ones with fie=
ld names, but they are indeed<br>
</span>&gt; easy to parse.=C2=A0 The pcb format is quite a bit more elabora=
te and the<br>
<span class=3D"">&gt; savings from not rolling your own parser are more sig=
nificant.<br>
<br>
</span>Yes this is simple to parse, use little file space but do not have f=
ield name. To use little file space and be simple to parse is actually two =
good properties of a file format.<br>
<br>
Lack of field names may be worked around by having a list of field names in=
 the beginning. If this list of field names is sorted according to how ofte=
n they are used and each row only have to list used values it would probabl=
y be a file format with rather good properties.<br>
<br>
To enumerate the field names at the beginning of the file may also be a sol=
ution. Or maybe to use representation of data structures from a programming=
 language.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style=3D"">Although these ar=
e good measures, once you adopt them you may start asking yourself why you =
aren&#39;t just using a binary format.=C2=A0 The argument for text is that =
you can glance at a chunk of it and easily tell what&#39;s going on.</div><=
div>=C2=A0</div><div style=3D"">Britton</div></div></div></div>

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