Mail Archives: geda-user/2015/10/13/09:25:18
gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2015, Bert Timmerman (bert DOT timmerman AT xs4all DOT nl) [via
> geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
>
>> Running the long liner below
>>
>> git log --format='%aN' | sort -u | while read name; do echo -en
>> "$name\t"; git log --author="$name" --pretty=tformat: --numstat | awk
>> '{ add += $1; subs += $2; loc += $1 - $2 } END { printf "added lines:
>> %s, removed lines: %s, total lines: %s\n", add, subs, loc }' -; done
>>
>> |
>> sums it up nicely ;-) although
>>
>> git shortlog -s -n
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>> would have done too.
>>
>> For me this is not about the quality or quantity of commits, lines
>> added or removed.
>> |
>> For me things revolve around stability, reliability.
>>
>>
>> Please do not misunderstand this for keeping a status quo, or a
>> code/feature freeze or regulating progress.
>>
>> It's just that I'm not comfortable with the "revolution" model, where
>> the "evolution" model could give less turmoil and more stability for
>> the future.
>>
>> It's the references to "the other parties" and similar addressing
>> that is bothering me, there was never a truly "us" in the
>> conversations stated from Markus his part, at least that's how I
>> received it.
>>
>> I don't know exactly "who" denied "what" to "whom", and if it was a
>> "confirmed denial" or "not reacting" to a "driven" statement.
>>
>> This one of those subjects where *everything* needs to be discussed
>> in the open, otherwise discussion over hidden agendas will flare up
>> in the future.
>>
>> And we all should know what it *exactly* was, as to prevent this from
>> happening ever again.
>>
>> And sadly, not everything is open for discussion in public, the
>> Personal Identfication Number of my bank account for one, or the
>> geda-project.org root password, or ...
>>
>> I think you can come up with a scenario or two when vulnerable data
>> gets out in the open.
>>
>> Give you a clue: one single gEDA administrator named ... <name of the
>> first person who grabs it> and all others administrators expelled.
>>
>> Same for my bank account.
>>
>> Now for the damage that has been done as I see it:
>>
>> 1) At least two driven and known developers lost for gEDA, maybe one
>> of them turns around in a couple of years, or starts a fork to suit
>> his ambitions.
>>
>> 2) A number of potential developers lost, probably scared off by this
>> "feud", to be unknown to us for ever.
>>
>> 3) More care and energy needed in the future to embed new developers,
>> we do not want to walk this line again.
>>
>> 4) Bad "reputation" for developers in the user base, more suspicion
>> of "hidden agendas" (I think there are none, but then again some
>> users have strong agendas too).
>>
>> 5) ... you may find more damages if you think hard enough.
>>
>> Resume: infights are *very* counter-productive.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Bert Timmerman.
>>
>> BTW: it takes two or more to have an infight.
>>
>> BTW2: you can't infight yourself alone.
>>
>
> It probably doesn't matter much, but I agree with most of these
> considerations. While privacy should be respected, as much as possible
> should be done in public. But please note: this alone doesn't solve
> the communication problem, we often have intentional
> misinterpretations and deaf conversations on the list. It may happen
> that we all see the same initial message but there will be two or more
> groups forming around different interpretations who then start big
> infights in which nobody convinces anybody else. But still better if
> everyone can read the original message than if the same thing happens
> about a hidden/assumed/implied message.
>
> Meanwhile I failed to follow where things progressed. I've read all
> mail on the list but either there was info shared on other medium or I
> failed to decode them all, so I'm a bit confused. What's the current
> status? Is gedahead active? Or did everyone/everything move back under
> the original admin team? Who are the two developers you refer to? Will
> the next code sprint happen with gedahead or the original infrastructure?
>
> Regards,
>
> Igor2
>
>
Hi Igor2,
The two developers who I referred to are PeterB and Markus, they both
left the original gEDA and pcb infrastructure on Launchpad (LP).
For other parts of the gEDA and/or pcb infrastructure on
geda-project.org I can't tell, it's not visible to me, and I'm not
spending spare (coding) cycles on it to find out.
I don't know the status of gEDAhead on LP, maybe Marcus or one of the
members can give a heads up.
The next pcb monthly code sprint will be held on #geda at the announced
date and time frame, I will send a reminder to both lists soonish.
The objective will be dealing with bugs in the pcb.git repository as
shown on git.geda-project.org and the pcb bug tracker on LP
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/pcb).
If someone wants to do do "shadow" bug hunting on gEDAhead on LP that is
fine with me, I'm not a member, so I can not update any status whatsoever.
The only thing I have done sofar is to make new gEDAhead bugs also
available for tracking in the pcb bug tracker.
Kind regards,
Bert Timmerman.
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