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On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 6:17 AM, Bert Timmerman (bert DOT timmerman AT xs4all DOT nl)
[via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
> Britton Kerin (britton DOT kerin AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 6:48 AM, John Griessen <john AT ecosensory DOT com
>> <mailto:john AT ecosensory DOT com>> wrote:
>>
>> On 10/11/2015 02:39 AM, Bert Timmerman (bert DOT timmerman AT xs4all DOT nl
>> <mailto:bert DOT timmerman AT xs4all DOT nl>) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com
>> <mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com>] wrote:
>>
>> I just checked: I see no new applications in Launchpad.
>>
>> AFAICT, no bug team rejections either, just a total of three
>> members who left (AndyM, PeterB and Traumflug).
>>
>>
>> Any member of gEDAhead would want to have 1) as well.
>>
>>
>> I don't see the additional value of gEDAhead.
>>
>>
>> So, the low barrier of using gedahead also creates an extra site
>> and login for the full admins to do
>> as a chore. And the rigor of gedahead users seems lower with no
>> bug team applications, so gedahead tracker might
>> just create more sifting to do, maybe even attract spam.
>>
>> I've seen a lot of inertia in this project, (and other FOSS
>> projects), and it seems natural to me,
>> yet Markus seems impatient with it.
>> His manners towards me are lacking. I'm not worried that he seems
>> to have dropped gedahead.
>>
>>
>> Given that he as doing really quite nice work as integrator, plus
>> submitting lots of patches himself, I'm somewhat worried. I wish the
>> stupid feud could end and Markus was most active at the moment at least so
>> driving him off seems like a poor solution.
>>
>> Hi Britton,
>
> I do not fully agree with your last statement.
>
> I wish this stupid "feud" as you call it, could stop too.
>
> Calling it a "feud" gives it more credit than it deserves, IMHO it's
> single sided and "targeted" people just defend themselves.
>
> Everyone who has earned a place *somewhere* should be left in peace in
> that place, pushing and shoving of volunteers in FOSS is *not* acceptable.
>
> The way I see it is that Markus drove himself off being too impatient.
>
He referred to lots of emails, and the other parties have never denied
them. My understanding is he didn't get given some stupid blessing or
sanctification or other and got angry. I don't know or care what it was
exactly, but it was almost certainly a bad mistake not to just give it to
him.
What damage would it have done beyond what happened anyway?
It's not as if gEDA has piles of eager volunteers. His claim to have been
doing more than most seems accurate based on the repository. So what was
the problem?
Britton
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 6:17 AM, Bert Timmerman (<a href=3D"mailto:bert=
.timmerman AT xs4all DOT nl">bert DOT timmerman AT xs4all DOT nl</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:=
geda-user AT delorie DOT com">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>] <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a =
href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-user AT delorie DOT c=
om</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Britton Kerin (<=
a href=3D"mailto:britton DOT kerin AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_blank">britton DOT kerin AT g=
mail.com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blan=
k">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>] wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
<br>
On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 6:48 AM, John Griessen <<a href=3D"mailto:john AT e=
cosensory.com" target=3D"_blank">john AT ecosensory DOT com</a> <mailto:<a href=
=3D"mailto:john AT ecosensory DOT com" target=3D"_blank">john AT ecosensory DOT com</a>&g=
t;> wrote:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 On 10/11/2015 02:39 AM, Bert Timmerman (<a href=3D"mailto:ber=
t DOT timmerman AT xs4all DOT nl" target=3D"_blank">bert DOT timmerman AT xs4all DOT nl</a><br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:bert DOT timmerman AT xs4all DOT nl" target=
=3D"_blank">bert DOT timmerman AT xs4all DOT nl</a>>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-u=
ser AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a><br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com" target=3D=
"_blank">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>>] wrote:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I just checked: I see no new applications in La=
unchpad.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 AFAICT, no bug team rejections either, just a t=
otal of three<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 members who left (AndyM, PeterB and Traumflug).=
<br>
<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Any member of gEDAhead would want to have 1) as=
well.<br>
<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I don't see the additional value of gEDAhea=
d.<br>
<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 So, the low barrier of using gedahead also creates an extra s=
ite<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 and login for the full admins to do<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 as a chore.=C2=A0 And the rigor of gedahead users seems lower=
with no<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 bug team applications, so gedahead tracker might<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 just create more sifting to do, maybe even attract spam.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I've seen a lot of inertia in this project, (and other FO=
SS<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 projects), and it seems natural to me,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 yet Markus seems impatient with it.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 His manners towards me are lacking.=C2=A0 I'm not worried=
that he seems<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 to have dropped gedahead.<br>
<br>
<br>
Given that he as doing really quite nice work as integrator, plus submittin=
g lots of patches himself, I'm somewhat worried.=C2=A0 I wish the stupi=
d feud could end and Markus was most active at the moment at least so drivi=
ng him off seems like a poor solution.<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
Hi Britton,<br>
<br>
I do not fully agree with your last statement.<br>
<br>
I wish this stupid "feud" as you call it, could stop too.<br>
<br>
Calling it a "feud" gives it more credit than it deserves, IMHO i=
t's single sided and "targeted" people just defend themselves=
.<br>
<br>
Everyone who has earned a place *somewhere* should be left in peace in that=
place, pushing and shoving of volunteers in FOSS is *not* acceptable.<br>
<br>
The way I see it is that Markus drove himself off being too impatient.<br><=
/blockquote><div><br></div><div style=3D"">He referred to lots of emails, a=
nd the other parties have never denied them.=C2=A0 My understanding is he d=
idn't get given some stupid blessing or sanctification or other and got=
angry.=C2=A0 I don't know or care what it was exactly, but it was almo=
st certainly a bad mistake not to just give it to him.</div><div style=3D""=
>What damage would it have done beyond what happened anyway?</div><div styl=
e=3D""><br></div><div style=3D"">It's not as if gEDA has piles of eager=
volunteers.=C2=A0 His claim to have been doing more than most seems accura=
te based on the repository.=C2=A0 So what was the problem?</div><div style=
=3D""><br></div><div style=3D"">Britton</div></div></div></div>
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