Mail Archives: geda-user/2015/10/11/17:52:19
> That you consider this abuse is one of the things what arouses
> suspicion. Since developer actions impact users, a good developer
> welcomes user input.
Thank you for again twisting my words. Am I not a good developer now,
since I sometimes like to do things my way instead of being blown like
a leaf on the wind by the desires of the users?
Please re-read what I posted and try to consider other ways you could
interpret what I said.
> Good. The last thing I want is a community of passive software
> consumers. That would surely kill gEDA for my purposes.
Again, please re-read what I posted and consider other ways you could
have interpreted it.
> Because some developers have repeatedly given some of us reason to
> distrust them. Their values are not ours.
Likewise, your values are not ours. Nobody's values match other
people's values, although sometimes they come close. This is a
symmetrical condition, yet you always use it to point out that the
developers are wrong. Why can't it be the users who are wrong
occasionally? Why can't we just admit that people are different?
But in reality, if you don't trust the developers, your only real
option is to fork the code and do it yourself. Enjoy.
> Development for the sake of development risks disconnection from
> user concerns. You, in particular, are tremendously talented at
> saying soothing things about preserving the versatility of the
> tools, and immediately following up with statements that show you
> don't understand their versatility at all. You say "users just want
> to get work done", but then fail to understand that the toolkit is
> what enables this.
You see one solution and assume it's the only solution. Sorry, no
sympathy here. You always twist my words to serve your purposes,
instead of assuming I *do* know what I'm talking about and I *do*
understand what you're saying. Sorry, John, you're not the center of
my universe and sometimes you don't get your way. The only way to be
the center of the universe software-wise is if you're the sole author,
and in this case you're not. Just as developers aren't the center of
their universe and keep the needs of the users in mind, the users need
to understand that the developers are the ones who get the final say
in what the software does and it isn't always what you want. We all
have to learn the fine art of compromise.
But my real complaint with you is that you tell me I'm wrong *before*
I get a chance to do anything, instead of giving me the benefit of the
doubt.
> The trust of users is also something that must be earned.
So is a paycheck. What's your point? We were talking about
priviledges, not trust.
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