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On Tue, Oct 06, 2015 at 11:52:38PM +0200, Stefan Salewski wrote:
...
> I think that usability of gschem is really hard up to version 1.92. It
> is not such a big problem when we used it daily, as I did 7 years ago
> for a short period. But when you use it from time to time is is
> difficult. The very large menu, the multi keystrokes (I can only
I think this is so for any complex enough program. I like the way gschem
works very much. OTOH I see it would probably be better/quicker to use
only one left hand for shortcuts.

> remember v-e for view-extend and e-r for edit rotate). No in place text
> editing.
Patches are welcome.

> I really prefer multiple windows, with one area where all
> object properties can be modified fast. Scrolling and zooming works
I, for one, would prefer multiple windows, if they were non-modal and
worked as all other 'windows', since I use tiling wm.

> strange. Setting the origin of text is very ugly. Some people have
> mentioned that, but there was at least one who said is is good enough as
> it is.
Patches are welcome.

> Of course some stuff works really well in gschem, and some has
> improved with 1.9.2. For example moving elements without need of
> selecting them prior. And some property editing windows are non modal
> now, that is fine. Ugly for example is, that menu still offers actions
> which are not available in current state.
Could you name them?

> 
> I try to improve that usability in my Peted, many works already fine.
> Moving pieces, rotating, grid select, inplace text editing with pango
> attributes, nice bezier editor, zooming, selecting. And it looks nice.
> But of course much is unfinished, editing is only supported for some
> elements, printing and PDF saving is not supported. Slots does not work.
> And it is a bit slow due to Ruby. I guess it is still about 300 hours of
> work to fix that. But then still picture and busses support and undo is
> missing.
...
> As I understood there was no real support for Windows OS for gEDA 1.8.x?
If what you mean is some 'support command', then yes. If you are about
a compiled binary, you're wrong. 

Cheers,
  Vladimir

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