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Date:	Wed, 7 Oct 2015 12:24:03 -0400
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Subject:	Re: [geda-user] Toolkits
From:	"Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-user AT delorie DOT com>
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On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Peter Stuge (peter AT stuge DOT se) [via
geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
> Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
>> > There is at least one more way, in between the two: If at some point
>> > gtk2 is no longer easily available but we still want to use it then
>> > *we* can make it available. We can even go so far as bundle it into
>> > our source tarballs. That's not ideal, but nothing ever is.
>>
>> That bloats our stuff a lot because you will need all of GTK2
>> including a lot of its dependencies.
>
> I don't see that coming for a very long time but if it does then so be
> it. That's the deal we enter into when we rely on a stack of external
> dependencies, and I think that's perfectly fine.
>
> We are as much a user of open source as we are a producer, and using
> open source only works when we take responsibility for what we use.
>
> This may mean that we become terribly slow at what we do, because we
> also have to maintain much of the infrastructure we depend on, and I
> find that perfectly acceptable, as long as there's a compelling
> reason to wait.
>
>
>> Keep in mind we want to package binaries for distros to use. So
>> that is a lot of waisted space.
>
> Reducing binary size is part of the "modern" value, but to be honest
> I don't think it's a strong argument with today's storage cost.

I work with people in the 3rd world where bandwidth and storage are
not cheap. I also like that geda works nicely on my raspi.

>> > I am quite sure that we would not be the only group of developers who
>> > had this problem, and I think we would get lots of unexpected help if
>> > we took responsibility for maintaining a legacy gtk2 package. :)
>>
>> I think this is being smarter than other people.
>
> I think it is simply taking responsibility for what we choose to consume.
>
>
>> > I also don't think it would require much effort. Certainly less than
>> > writing a new toolkit from scratch.
>>
>> libgeda has it's own problems and changing them always starts a war.
>
> Wars come from frustration because of different goals, mindsets and
> expectations. I've fought too, although I didn't see it at the time.
>
> I believed I was discussing, being constructive, but in the end
> nobody was able to follow the discussion except the fighters and
> all relevant facts were drowned by sheer email volume.

We are but if Igor2 or I actually explained our issues with libgeda a
lot of other people would join in and it would not be so nice.

>
> //Peter



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