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I am also a user - Everyday, 5 days a week. Further, I second EVERYTHING
Dave said
regarding recent events.
Marvin
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:15 PM, Dave McGuire (mcguire AT neurotica DOT com) [via
geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
> On 10/05/2015 10:46 PM, gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu wrote:
> > On my poll the actual users who really voted made scripting win. If you
> > look at the list traffic this summer, you will see that a considerable
> > amount of text was pro or contra guile/scheme in gschem.
> >
> > The _real_ user base also installs binaries from their distro's
> > repository. They are also not subscribed to this list or if they are,
> > they almost never speak up. They don't care about forks, branches, they
> > install whatever their distro has.
> >
> > On this list we have mostly power users who has already forked or have
> > their own branch in git, or stuck with a specific past vesion of the
> > official stuff or using the head version. They happily comment ideas and
> > mails after reading only 1/3 of the text.
> >
> > If anyone does anything new in a fork or branch or whervere that doesn't
> > end up instanty in the head or in distros, there will be no more than 2
> > people on the list who actually download, compile, try and _then_
> > comment the stuff. If you disagree, prove me wrong by prividing a list
> > of links to the recent list archives.
> >
> > What geda, pcb, pcb-rnd, xorn, and other related projects don't have is
> > a small, but active user base who are willing to try experimental code
> > and provide feedback according to the actual tests, not according to
> > reading mails.
> >
> > Considering these, the best we can do is to ask the list as I did and
> > then believe the results, whatever they are. What you do, telling us
> > what the user base don't care about, is mere speculation - you don't
> > have more access to the real opinion of the actual user base than any of
> > us. You can share your own opinion and assume the user base has the same
> > opinion. This is not better than a poll in any way.
>
> Well, considering the fact that I use gEDA and PCB nearly every day,
> *I* am the user base. And to watch the traffic around here, I'm the
> only guy busy actually USING this stuff!
>
> This project has gyrated into inaction, and this recent ****storm of
> traffic hasn't improved anything. There have been childish turf wars,
> YET MORE forks, whining babies who can't seem to wrap their little
> brains around what has to be one of the simplest programming languages
> ever developed, and whining grownups who insist that nothing should ever
> change, for any reason, until the end of time. And yet more
> inexplicable blather about Windows support!
>
> SO yes, I'll speculate, I'll be a user, and I'll give you feedback AS
> a user. But you've just proven that you're not interested in that
> feedback, surprisingly enough. So I guess I'll just sit back and watch
> as people argue and create forks.
>
> -Dave
>
> --
> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
> New Kensington, PA
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I am also a user - Everyday, 5 days a week. Further, I sec=
ond EVERYTHING Dave said<div>regarding recent events.=C2=A0</div><div><br><=
/div><div>Marvin=C2=A0</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:15 PM, Dave McGuire (<a href=3D"=
mailto:mcguire AT neurotica DOT com">mcguire AT neurotica DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"ma=
ilto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>] <span dir=3D"ltr">&l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-user AT delo=
rie.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=
=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">On 10/05/2015 10:46 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:ged=
au AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu">gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu</a> wrote:<br>
> On my poll the actual users who really voted made scripting win. If yo=
u<br>
> look at the list traffic this summer, you will see that a considerable=
<br>
> amount of text was pro or contra guile/scheme in gschem.<br>
><br>
> The _real_ user base also installs binaries from their distro's<br=
>
> repository. They are also not subscribed to this list or if they are,<=
br>
> they almost never speak up. They don't care about forks, branches,=
they<br>
> install whatever their distro has.<br>
><br>
> On this list we have mostly power users who has already forked or have=
<br>
> their own branch in git, or stuck with a specific past vesion of the<b=
r>
> official stuff or using the head version. They happily comment ideas a=
nd<br>
> mails after reading only 1/3 of the text.<br>
><br>
> If anyone does anything new in a fork or branch or whervere that doesn=
't<br>
> end up instanty in the head or in distros, there will be no more than =
2<br>
> people on the list who actually download, compile, try and _then_<br>
> comment the stuff. If you disagree, prove me wrong by prividing a list=
<br>
> of links to the recent list archives.<br>
><br>
> What geda, pcb, pcb-rnd, xorn, and other related projects don't ha=
ve is<br>
> a small, but active user base who are willing to try experimental code=
<br>
> and provide feedback according to the actual tests, not according to<b=
r>
> reading mails.<br>
><br>
> Considering these, the best we can do is to ask the list as I did and<=
br>
> then believe the results, whatever they are. What you do, telling us<b=
r>
> what the user base don't care about, is mere speculation - you don=
't<br>
> have more access to the real opinion of the actual user base than any =
of<br>
> us. You can share your own opinion and assume the user base has the sa=
me<br>
> opinion. This is not better than a poll in any way.<br>
<br>
</div></div>=C2=A0 Well, considering the fact that I use gEDA and PCB nearl=
y every day,<br>
*I* am the user base.=C2=A0 And to watch the traffic around here, I'm t=
he<br>
only guy busy actually USING this stuff!<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 This project has gyrated into inaction, and this recent ****storm of=
<br>
traffic hasn't improved anything.=C2=A0 There have been childish turf w=
ars,<br>
YET MORE forks, whining babies who can't seem to wrap their little<br>
brains around what has to be one of the simplest programming languages<br>
ever developed, and whining grownups who insist that nothing should ever<br=
>
change, for any reason, until the end of time.=C2=A0 And yet more<br>
inexplicable blather about Windows support!<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 SO yes, I'll speculate, I'll be a user, and I'll give yo=
u feedback AS<br>
a user.=C2=A0 But you've just proven that you're not interested in =
that<br>
feedback, surprisingly enough.=C2=A0 So I guess I'll just sit back and =
watch<br>
as people argue and create forks.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-Dave<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
--<br>
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ<br>
New Kensington, PA<br>
<br>
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