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Date:	Sun, 12 Jul 2015 14:50:00 -0700
From:	"Girvin R. Herr (gherr375 AT sbcglobal DOT net) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-user AT delorie DOT com>
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On 07/12/2015 12:46 PM, Dave McGuire (mcguire AT neurotica DOT com) [via 
geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
> On 07/12/2015 03:18 PM, Girvin R. Herr (gherr375 AT sbcglobal DOT net) [via
> geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
>> The lack of the geda-dev list explains why all of a sudden this past
>> week, I, who only subscribe to the geda-user list, have been deluged
>> with "this developer stuff" (~200 messages in 2 days).  This is remotely
>> interesting to me, but it gets deleted.  I would think that a newbie
>> user who visits this list, would be turned off by all the
>> techno-babble.  What happened to the geda-dev list?
>    That's ludicrous.  Why would someone who would be "turned off by
> techno-babble" be interested in schematic capture and PCB routing software?
>
>                 -Dave
>
Dave,
It is not ludicrous.  If I thought so, I would not have posted. Users 
should not need to be technically-oriented to use the tools. All they 
are trying to do is document a project or produce a product.  My work is 
both.  Some of my geda work is to produce a PCB design, but the vast 
majority of my work is to document a project, PCB or not.  Not all of 
the users are software engineers, let alone be interested in the inner 
workings of the tool's software.  In my engineering career, I have met 
many hardware engineers who did not want anything to do with software, 
and I am talking of young engineers fresh out of school, not ossified 
ones.  I tried to convince them that they would be twice as useful to 
employers if they knew both disciplines, but they were adamant.

When I first looked at LCAD, I got on their user's list to see how much 
help they were giving to users.  If I were to do that to the geda-user 
list this past week, I would have found very little help being given to 
users and probably not commit to use geda for my work.  I would expect 
many users, myself included, do not care anything about the inner 
workings of the tools.  I care about whether it works for me or not and 
I am productive with it. If not, the user's forum is my first place to 
ask why it isn't working as I would expect.

After getting about 100 messages a day this past week, of which I 
deleted about 99% of them, I was tempted to block all messages from the 
geda-users list or even (horrors) unsubscribe.  That does not help the 
geda project.  Especially if I am not the only user who thought so.  
Having to read through all those messages to see if it is worth saving 
is a waste of my time.

Bring back the devs list!

Girvin Herr

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